Will/is Neil Lennon as good as Gordon Strachan at Celtic.

Not really though.

Look at the Celtic team Lennon took over....

Boruc
Hinkel Thompson O'Dea Naylor
McGeady Brown N'Guemo Kamara
Fortune Keane

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Other players used - Caldwell, Loovens, Crosas, Zhi, Robson, Samaras, McDonald

Then look at his team in his first season...

Forster
Wilson Rogne Majstorovic Izaguirre
Brown Kayal Ledley Commons
Hooper Stokes

Other players used - Loovens, Cha, Forrest, Ki, McCourt, Samaras

It was basically a brand new squad put together, yet managed to achieve the most League points since 2004. He was just ulucky that Rangers managed to get 1? more point as it was also Rangers best performance in the League in about 7 years too.

Last season we got off too a stuttering start by dropping points often after European games and came back from 15 behind to be top at New Year, pretty much coasted home from there regardless and again achieved a great points total.
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Getting the most league points since 2004 means nothing when you come in 2nd. Most managers wouldnt have been in a job going 15 points behind Rangers after 18 months or so in the job. Only the * fell out of Rangers and then them getting a 10 point deduction basically killed off any challenge and still we took 2 pumpings at Ibrox from them last year.

The next 3 titles are on a plate also so all we can judge him on will be how he gets on in the champions league. For anyone to say Lennon is better than Strachan at this point is just ludicrous in my opinion.

 

You're some bitter guy. Lenny could win the CL and you still wouldn't give him credit.

He's made far more good than bad signings in the transfer market - a success.
He's made a profit, i'm sure, in his time as management = a success.

LOL you're * reaching mate. Brozek and El Kaddouri were short term loan deals, only to be used as emergency cover. They cost nothing and served their purpose. El Kad even scored at Mordor. Kelvin Wilson was our best defender against Real Madrid and Helsinborgs in our biggest game for 5 years, but you think he's been a * signing, considering we spent NOTHING on him? Did Lennon even sign Kapo? I'm sure that was another Mowbray special.
Bangura came with a great reputation and was praised by none other than the KOK.
Fair enough he hasn't turned out right, but still may come good.

 

Bitter ?? What have i got to be bitter about?? I wont give him credit if he won the champions league. Really?? Where did i say that ??

Winning a league against a poor Rangers team who were not getting paid for the 2nd half of the season and with a 10 point deduction is not a great achievement in my book. I just think his managerial record is so overrated by the majority on here. Keep hearing about the 15 point gap he made up which only included 1 win against them so was more down to their poor form as much as our winning form.

There you go right away making excuses for some of his signings. El kad scored at ibrox, yes thats right the one * let slip through his hands so he must have been great then. Wilson had a great game against Madrid in a friendly we got beat 2 -0 in and against Helsinborg who would probably struggle to finish above Dundee Utd and Hearts in the SPL. Blaming Mowbray for Kapo also ?? Bangura came with a great reputation?? Scoring goals in Sweden , having looked at how poor Helsinborg are then its no suprise he could score goals in that league. Regardless he was a poor signing and there have been many more so to suggest that his signings have all been amazing like the other poster said (who i was replying to) is just nonsence and just typical over reaction to what Lennon has done in his time as manager.

As i said above we can properly judge him and his team after the champions league and then be able to make a proper comparison between him and Strachan. If you feel different then fine but dont make absurd statements about me being bitter and wouldnt give credit if he won the champions league because that just makes you look stupid.

 

This .

To early to tell yet.

 

Yet couldn't beat this so called "worst Rangers team" of 2005 once the King Of Kings had left his squad.

 

Two areas where Neil Lennon wipes the floor with Gordon Strachan are:

• Dealing with the media
• Connecting with the fans

When Strachan dealt with the media he was too busy trying to be quippy and the longer he stayed in the job the more obnoxious and defensive he became. To end up with he was just a pain in the * to listen to.

When Neil Lennon deals with the media he keeps his cool, comes across as intelligent and he tries to give the fans as much information as he can. He knows how to communicate with the Celtic fans because he is one himself.

I'm grateful to Gordon Strachan for the trophies he delivered, and for the great European nights at Parkhead, but I am happier with Neil Lennon in charge of the team than I ever was with Strachan in charge of it. But then I love Neil Lennon so that was probably always going to be the case.

 

Strachan wins at dealing with the media for me, they are * and deserve to be treated as such. I'll give you Lennon for connecting with the fans, although given their reaction to Strachan who can blame him.

 

Your whole post reaks of bitterness. If you don't like Lennon, or don't think he's a good manager, then just say it. Instead you are hiding behind halftruths, you say everyone on here overrates Lennon - or is that just because you are ignoring half of his work?

Yes let's focus on the short term loan signings Brozek and El Kaddouri, and totally forget about Kayal, Hooper, Wanyama, Stokes, Mulgrew, Forster, Izzaguirre, Ledley, Matthews, McGeouch, Watt, not to mention the other youths he has brought through such as Forrest and Twardzik.

We only beat the huns once? We only won the league because they got deducted points and weren't paid? What utter tripe. We convincingly beat them twice last season, kept two clean sheets at home and despite playing poorly away, we still scored 4 goals against them at Mordor.
We usurped them at the top of the table long before they threw the thowel in, and you know it.
Their players missed no more than 2 or 3 weeks wages in the whole season, and quite apart from the professional integrity all players should have, you honestly think that was the reason for us winning/them losing the SPL?

And if you care to look you will see that not once have I ever claimed Lennon is better than Strachan - because he plainly isn't currently. However in time, he will be. Of that there is no doubt.

 

WGS reduced our debt amazingly while winning 3 in a row and of course taking us to the last 16 or the CL twice!

If Lennon achieves this or better, then and then only can we say he's a better Celtic manager.

Naturally, there was no option for me to vote. I would say, 'hopefully, he'll be better'.

 

This is an important point. O'Neill walked into an excellent Celtic side with a vast amount of cash to spend. Still had to beat a great Rangers side however.

 

Strachan was brilliant at dealing with the media and so is Lennon. The two are of course very different.

One of my favorite aspects about Lennon thus far is the the way he took no * off the Referees/SFA. He made it clearly obvious they were against us at times. Not saying they were all at it but chasing the likes of Dougie McDonald out the door put pressure on the likes of Craig Thomson, Ian Brines etc which was a great move.

He's the first manager to really speak his mind on this department. Not often you'll hear it from me but huge credit to Lawwell also here.

 

strachan was very fortunate in that he had an amazing keeper and free kick taker, nakamura and boruc kept strachan in the job imo
and maybe we havent players as good as thoes two at the minute i think man for man lennons signings have been better and id imagine lennon has spent a whole lot less

 

At the minute nowhere near it for me.

 

And does Strachan not get credit for signing these players. That is the whole point in bringing players in, to keep you in a job.

 

yes he does but he would have got more credit had the rest of the players he had signed been any good

 

Accidentally clicked "no, he's not as good". Thought we were judging it on up to now. Realised after I'd clicked it that the top option gives scope for Lenny to do better, would have picked that one

 

Well his signings cant have all been that bad. 3 in a row and last 16 of the Champion League twice. You dont do all that with signing diddy's. That is one thing for certain. Strachan deserves all the credit in the world. He took us places in Europe that were alien to us and something that might never be achieved again.

 

most of them were , im much more confident of going into the champions league this year than i ever was under strachan

 

Well going by your theory, if most of his signings were garbage but he still managed to achieve what he did, then he surely must be a good manager? So you are confident of getting through to the last 16? I'm not saying that we cant do it, i think we have a chance of getting 2nd, but i'm sure as * not confident of it. Strachan had us competeing against some of the best teams on the planet, and beating a fair few of them. We are nowhere near that level at present in my opinion.