why is there an obsession with rangers going bust instead of celtic going forward

Oh for *'s sake. Again, IF St Mirren had broken the same rules as Rangers and cheated their way to a number of titles, then there would obviously be the same outcry. This isn't something like Livingston or Dundee we're talking about here. This has had a negative impact on Celtic and every other team in the SPL. It's on a huge scale.

Why are you so eager to defend them?

 

Im not wanting us to cheat. Its upto the 11 other spl teams to decide what punishment a newco get. If they all decide to let them in with certain sanctions then how is that Celtic cheating?? It is their fault, nobody is denying that. They dont get a say in what punishment they get now. Neither do we for that matter. I just think a newco rangers with sanctions in the spl for say the next 3 seasons wouldnt be a threat to us and wouldnt affect our financial footing there for giving us a better chance of making the champions league. I think this would appeal to the celtic board also rather than having them out of the league for 3 seasons. Either way they wont be a threat for the next 3 years. I agree they SHOULD be put down to the 3rd division but if it helps us by doing it the other way then so be it.

 

No. Because you know as well as we do that the chances of St Mirren - or any other SPL team - being allowed straight back in as a newco, are zero.

Honestly mate - at a conservative estimate, I'd say 50% of your posts since you joined this forum have been either defending Rangers' right to play in the SPL, or attacking Celtic fans for disliking them.

Don't you think you might be taking evenhandedness to a dizzying extreme?

 

Im not defending them. Im just wondering why Celtic fans would not support their team next season if 11 clubs decide to allow them into the spl. I'll ask you the same question. What happens if after some sort of miracle they agree the cva and are back into the spl next year. Why dont they get thrown down to the 3rd division for cheating their way to titles over the last so many years?? Why is it only through a newco they will get the punishment they truly deserve?

 

It's not Punishing a Newco. A Newco is nothing, it doesnt even exist at the moment, it would be a rule that if a Club went bust and had to Newco to survive in some capacity then that New Club joins in at the bottom.

The only Punishing would be self inflicted punishment to the Club that Needs a Newco to survive.

If a Newco wants to join the SPL then there must be MASSIVE sanctions like 25 points for 5 seasons etc to make any Newco think twice about even wanting to.

A * East Stirling fan could win the EURO Millions this Friday and rather than take them over and work their way up to the SPL, they could wave £10million at the Ross County owner and say "sell us your SPL share" the Ross County owner would probably do that as he could run Ross County for about 10 years with £10million and in a year could probably even buy out the next promoted SPL team with some of that. East Stirling could go from nowhere in the 3rd Division to playing in the SPL in August.

There should be no buying and selling of SPL shares and no New Clubs especially waltzing in at the top.

 

I think there are plenty of Celtic fans who don't want to see Rangers die, suffer yes of course and not be able to compete for anything for years i'd much prefer that, i'd love a scenario where we were winning everything and they went back to 80s style rangers, finishing 6th and 7th but to die completely nah i don't want to see that, i'd hate to see no more old firm games. We would be damaged financially, then again so would any club if they lost their main rivals, if Barcelona lost Madrid it would damage them if liverpool lost united it would damage them etc..

 

As explained already in the thread, nobody is explicitly stating that they are done with the club and are not renewing their season tickets. It's merely a threat, to ensure that the board do the right thing when it comes to dealing with a potential newco and don't vote them back into the SPL.

And I wouldn't call it an 'obsession' with the Huns either. You know, as I do, that if the shoe were on the other foot (and it was many years ago, but the internet had not yet rose to prominence), that they would be taking full advantage of the gloating opportunities and revelling in the moment. It's the biggest rivalry in the world and they are cheating, bigoted, rancid *. What else would you expect?

 

When have i ever defended Rangers "right" to play in the spl??? Rangers have no right to play anywhere. They dont have a say in anything that goes on with regards to this. They are guilty and are awaiting punishment. If you read my posts correctly you will see its Celtic's benefit im more worried about so please dont put lies on about me.

When have i ever attacked a Celtic fan for disliking them?? Again another complete lie.

 

Spot on .

 

But there is people stating that they wouldnt go back next year. I would expect that from the other side, not ours.

 

I totally agree.In here it seems we are in the minority, but when i talk to people outside of here, i find i am in a majority!
If they disappear completely, we will be in trouble...i dont care what anyone says or thinks about that....id bet my house on it!

 

Hypothetically, perhaps. As I've said though, anyone that is stating that they are not going back before the outcome of the Huns saga has even been decided, are simply saying it as a threat against the board.

The message seems clear to me; vote them back into the league and you lose a lot of money. However, I'd be very surprised if there was any Celtic supporter in the world that had already decided they are not going back to CP next season, before the Huns had even entered liquidation.

 

Ive already bet(and knowing me, lost) my house, but if i could take a second mortgage on it, i would bet if Rangers in whatever form they are, arrive for a fixture at Parkhead next year, it WILL be a capacity audience they play to!!!

 

Im a season ticket holder and will take that bet mate worth missing 1 game for a free house :icon_mrgreen:

 

I dunno.....you havent seen my house!!!

 

I love Celtic just as much as I hate the huns

 

I dont want to see rangers liquidated niether do I want them to be sent to division 3, I want them sent to division 1, they will be back after a season but weakened and banned from europe and we will roll over them aling with most teams in the SPL

 

Thats a bit of a contradiction there as we will obviously get a vote, therefore will have a say.

I am also not convinced that the huns in their current guise will not have a vote. I think, as ridiculous as it would be, they would have the right to cast a vote as an existing member. When asked recently about who would have the say after the end of the season Doncaster said that after the end of May, Ross County would have Dunfermlines vote and that for a newco to be accepted it would be a minimum of an 8-4 split.

Let me use a hypothetical instance as to why this would not be fair. Say the sanctions you talk about include the current transfer embargo and the huns are left with pretty much a youth team.

They are fighting relegation and on the last day its between them and Ross County, eg, as to who goes down. The huns need to win. Lets say they are playing a team that is safe. If that team has voted (through their board) to keep newhun in the SPL, will they then instruct his team to lose against them for the much quoted "commercial benefits"? Even if they won on merit, it would always be suspected that the other team lay down.

That would then mean we are going to be involved in match fixing for commercial benefits. That means that Ross County will have been cheated as well. A team that has to invest in its stadium, as well as presumably players, to have a go at the SPL.

This is just one example of what could, very realistically, happen. There are so many more scenario's that we could think of. Its not just about sporting integrity towards us. Its about the whole league, and the whole of Scottish football. For the long term good, the game needs to take this hit. It will be a big hit as well, but it should be looked upon as a chance to start again for all teams. If that means they have to recut their own cloths then fine.

 

read the lyrics to the famine song, the Billy Boys and theyre new one about stamping on our heads......look at their racist, bigoted ,sectarian signing policy that the sfa with no condemnation of that policy, basically sanctioned it...........thats just a few reasons i am absolutely revelling in the demise of an institution that believes me to be of an inferior race, and a lesser person because i am not a white protestant who supports the rangers.

 

If they're allowed back then what's to stop every club buying played out with their budget. Run up their debt until they can't possibly pay it, and then form
A newco. To say that because we want to see justice done to rangers that we don't want Celtic to go forward is absolutely idiotic