Who is identifying our transfer targets? (Delia/Lawwell)

The board do pick the players. They decide out of the list that the scouts and manager agree on who we can afford.

 

That's the case at all clubs though, is it not?

 

Well assuming they eventually get the players named on the list then essentially these are the "Managers choices" Value etc or whatever.
If they are on the list they are approved by the manager.
so the Manager DOES choose the players.
Everyone a winner??

 

The board picking a player due to financial restrictions the club works under is different to what some on here are claiming.

That the board goes around picking players based on what money they will save and how much money could they make regardless what the team and the manager needs.

Yes there is input all along the way but its the manager that decides does the team need a keeper or striker or winger.

 

This^^

If the manager says "Here's my list of targets. The scouts have had a look at all of them and they are all of an acceptable standard and play in positions we need to strengthen." and then hands over this list, then my guess is we won't make any signings.

Manuel Neuer

Philipp Lahm
Mario Yepes
Ezequiel Garay
Daley Blind

Javier Mascherano
Toni Kroos
Gareth Bale
Marek Hamsik

Edinson Cavani
James Rodriguez

If a list of players the board have a decent chance of getting is produced, based on criteria/budgets for fees and wages which the manager will be aware of, then the CEO has the job of doing the best deals he can.

There will be exceptions, where the manager wants a specific player for a specific job. Possibly someone he knows, whom he can work with and who, for whatever reason, he knows is likely to agree to the transfer. (Larsson, Moravcik, Lennon all fit that category as well as many others.)

I don't know what is so difficult or suspicious about that. It is how it works at almost all clubs.

 

Pretty much.

Although some signings, like Craig Gordon, are actually board signings. Seeing as he was signed when we didn't even have a manager.

 

Non existent in a spending money way i should have said.

I don't believe that Ronny just happens to be identifying loan targets for Lawell, I'm pretty sure Lawell is dictating who comes in and who goes.

 

Lawwell and Park, any other manager goes to their board and asks what the budget is, he then goes to the scouts and tell them what position and what kind of player they want and in what price range.

At skinflint fc, the CEO tells the scout to find players, they both decide who the manager is getting, player is signed, manager meets him at the press conference is what i think happens

 

manager comes in and says i want messi lawell says bolt manager comes in and says he wants a player within budget lawell try's to negotiate with the club end of every club has a budget ours is small and we have to work within it

 

IMO it probably goes a little something like this (cue Run DMC):

[0. The manager consults with the scout about players required, and Lawwell informs the scout of our budget; not always necessity for the scouting process to take place so I've made it 0.];

1. The scouts identify the players (of the variable quality but around about our budget, a couple of million over tops as set out by Lawwell);
2. The scouts report to the manager, and the manager whittles them down;
3. The manager then reports to Lawwell who whittles them further down on the basis of cost. This process is perhaps the most gruelling to take place at Parkhead and will take everything into account including wage bill, squad size, required fee etc. and Lawwell may tell the manager to trim the squad and generate more funds in order to convert certain players on the list from being non-starters to acceptable targets;
4. The manager then decides which player to sign from the revised list after money is generated, if required.

[5. The club in question requests £5M, so instead of just giving them £5M we offer £1M, two Freddos and a packet of Space Raiders and they end up joining relegation fodder in the Championship].

 

I dunno how there is still a debate about this. Our last manager, our current manager and Ithink even Peter Heuston have all gave us a rundown on how it works. Park has a database of players. Ronny tells him what he wants. Park shows him the database, makes a recommendation, Ronny decides on the player he wants. Lawell tries to buy said player. Seems like a fairly straightforward system. Better than a manager coming in trying to do the job of a scout

 

2 Freddo's for Balde was outrageous.

 

They way I see it is Lawell and Park from the outset & prob every season etc have a conversation with regards to the maximum value of transfer we can afford within our budget/strategy. Park deployes his scouting team to the UK, Europe etc to find players in all positions that fit into this category. This is an ongoing process, they do not just up tools when we are between managers etc. When Deila comes in he assesses his squad and decides we need a certain type of player & unless he has a target in mind say a player he has worked with or knows through his own contacts then Park goes to the database he has assembled, brings up a list of left sided players that his scouts has recommended. Ronny goes through the videos with Park and they come to a decision on who to get this then goes to Lawell who deals with the financials. That's the way it should be done otherwise the manager would have a hard time bringing anyone in If he always had to identify his own players. That's the modern strategy that most European clubs work from. Read Peter Houston's comments on it for an insight.

 

Surely though if you are looking at any experienced players mid 20s you don't need scouts. I thought scouts were for finding young unknown talents.

 

This is spot on mate, some on here just love the idea that Lawell picks the players

The difference is they are not picking them on how good they are but the price we are willing to pay from a list picked by the Scouts & Manager

 

Aye true but I heard they were past their sell-by date.

 

What? Do you expect the manager to fly about looking at all these mid 20's players? Of course you need scouts. Unless your buying Ronaldo or someone. Even when Man U bought Hererra and payers like that, they will have been scouts choices they brought to the manager, not the other way around.

 

A recent article from Houston before he left us.

PETER Houston has been criss-crossing the continent for Celtic for eight months.

Now he reckons Ronny Deila could reap the rewards when he hits Europe.

The new Falkirk boss has scoured 14 different countries eyeing talent since he joined the Hoops’ scouting operation.

And at a final meeting with Deila on Wednesday, he told him there’s a database packed with potential for the new Norwegian gaffer to develop.

Houston revealed Deila was ensconced at the training ground with Celtic’s video analysts in midweek, sifting through footage of his squad.

But he insists his scouting work will come into its own when the manager starts looking for new targets.

Houston said: “Ronny knows what he wants and will make changes to certain things.

“He will assess his squad quickly – the lads who do all the analysis were pulling stuff together for him on Wednesday.

“After that, if Ronny says he needs a No.10, a right-back or a left winger, then the information is there for him.

“He will have a choice, a list of good points and bad then he can send someone to see the player. It’s all in place. That’s the beauty of being at a big club with resources to match. He’ll want to do well in the Champions League so will be looking at what he needs for Europe”

Houston’s work for chief scout John Park opened his eyes to the sheer scale of
Celtic’s operation compared to his own time as boss of Dundee United.

He said: “I had eight unbelievable months. I don’t mean to be disrespectful to United but the resources and back-up that Celtic have are unbelievable.

“I was asked to watch the targets their analysts had picked out. Last week I hired a car and drove through Portugal and Spain to watch two Under-19 groups.

“I was in Malta for the Under-17 championships – but not for Scotland’s games. I was more following England and Holland.

“My knowledge of players has increased tenfold. Not only youths, but first-team players too.

“In eight months, I was in 14 countries watching targets.

“Celtic can afford to do that and John runs a great department. They have the network there. And without a doubt Ronny will benefit. He might have some players in mind but if he asks ‘What have you got at centre back?’ – then bang, bang, the clips are there, mostly of European games.

“Wingers? Right or left sided, he can watch the footage.

“But you are not going to sign a player based on what’s on a computer.

“That is when, for back up, they sent me out to watch them. To see if it is worth sending the manager or the assistant.

“The last man who should see the player is the manager or someone close to him who can say yes or no.

“So that was my job at Celtic and they were fantastic to work for.”

Houston’s role was to bring his experience of the game to a system increasingly global in its nature and increasingly computerised.

He said: “My first task was look through the target list and narrow it down. From my experience, I would tell them ‘He didn’t defend that’ or ‘He should be tighter there’.

“Hopefully, they learned a bit more about the football and tactical side from my experience. They have great back up and good people working in there and Ronny will be helped big time.”

 

No but Ffs the guys a football manager do they watch games with there eyes closed.
Jansen signed Henke, Venglos signed moravcik. I'm not saying we don't need scouts but surely Ronny must know of atleast 2/3 good players from his previous posts.

 

And Gordon Strachan had Paul Telfer and Dion Dublin :icon_mrgreen: