Whistlegate has it gone on to long?

We have to break these * they have been cheating us out of decisions for years on end and it will continue for years to come unless we continue to presure on them.

 

As long as McDonald and Dallas are still part of the system in Scotland then it hasn't gone on too long.

 

McDonald and Dallas are finished.

 

Agreed 100% m8 but it's not going to change imo.

The main thing is Celtic as a club have kept quiet so that means imo there will not be the investigation we are looking for about the outragous decisions against us. So we must move on.

 

‘Whistlegate’ can be opportunity for referees to earn respect rather than demand it, says PFA Scotland chief executive Fraser Wishart

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• SHORT-SIGHTED? Willie Collum, Dougie McDonald and Craig Thomson – part of a refereeing fraternity which must seize this opportunity.
• Fraser Wishart

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5 Nov 2010
As I watched Stewart Regan last week deal with his first contentious press conference as SFA chief executive, I wondered what he makes of it all.
He must have thought that he could ease his way into his new role, but instead he has been at the centre of a storm that will have a huge impact on our game.
Referees are portrayed as the pillars of the game. We expect referees to be beyond reproach and white lies, little lies, however individuals wish to tag them, have serious repercussions for our game. One of the biggest challenges facing referees is to rebuild trust.

Regan has handled himself extremely well. Firstly his role has to be understood; he is neither chief nor does he have executive powers. His role in all of this was to investigate and report to the Referees Committee. He did his job in proper fashion and in good time.
I feel that he would have wanted a stronger sanction than the warning dished out to Dougie McDonald. In years gone by, a short press statement would have been released – there would have been many involved last week who’d have liked that to happen here. Instead, Regan rightly chose to explain the verdict on his own, even though he wasn’t party to the process.

He did well to look uncomfortable enough at times to convince me that he did not agree with his bosses and will try to change things. We should all remember that the decision makers within our governing body are the president, board and the various committees.
Referees’ performances are judged by their peers, which makes it even more bizarre that McDonald and Steven Craven should decide to concoct a story. This is especially true when the other officials and the supervisor are also wired up and can hear what was said. At best it was to improve marks and deceive their own marking system, wrong on so many fronts.

Would the discipline of players be handed over to PFA Scotland and former players? Not a chance. ​

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No matter the reason, I have been troubled by the reaction from McDonald, who hasn’t quite grasped the magnitude of his error.
It has been noticeable that players have been supportive over this matter. Players can live with refereeing errors as they, better than anyone, understand the speed of the game and the instant decisions that have to be made.
The majority of PFA Scotland members will have no issue with McDonald refereeing their next game. I spend my time fighting for our members and also have no wish for an individual to be banished from our game.

Players only have issues with those who won’t talk to them and are poor at managing the game, even down to the way yellow and red cards are administered. Strangely, players may be an unlikely ally to referees in coming months.
Referees are actually in a very influential position within the governance of our game. There is a refereeing department, staffed for and paid for by the Scottish FA, with an office a penalty kick away from the chief executive’s office. Above that is the Referees Committee which reports directly to the board and so has direct access to those in power.

In addition, the SFA working parties that deal with these matters are mainly populated by referees, ex-referees, referee supervisors and Referee Committee members, with Alex Smith and me swimming against the tide as lone voices for our members.
In this case it’s the Referees Committee and not the chief executive who sits in judgement of friends and former colleagues. Would the discipline of players be handed over to PFA Scotland and former players? Not a chance. Players guilty of indiscipline are dealt with by an independent panel, so change is required.

The criticism of referees now goes way over the top. I have absolutely no doubt that they make decisions with great integrity and without bias. Until someone can show me actual proof that a referee has been told to deliberately give a decision against a club then I will continue to support this view.

Unfortunately those who claim a systemic agenda against their team will be fuelled by recent events. By the same token referees have to understand that they play a huge part in the game and that everyone has the right to analyse their decisions.

What happens next is the key. The refereeing fraternity must now become more open and transparent and engage properly with other stakeholders within the game. There has been talk of referees quitting but there has been less criticism from those within the game.

If referees think that they can stop the analysis of their performances by those outwith the game then they are deluding themselves. Players and managers are also heavily criticised, it comes with the territory.

Regan and the referees’ own association have been vocal about plans to have a respect campaign. Respect has to be earned and not demanded and referees have a bit of work to do to get full support from some. I hope that respect for players and managers is included in this proposal.

PFA Scotland will be happy to support such a campaign but it will only work if referees and the SFA in return give greater respect to the opinion of others within the game. Players’ opinions are largely ignored when it comes to the implementation of regulations and changes to disciplinary procedures. This is the perfect opportunity to take advantage of the moment. Regan should look at the UEFA and FIFA model where all parties meet with equal representation to discuss matters and inform the executive.

There will be dissenters opposed to proper dialogue but for the game’s sake, they should be ignored. In all my years in charge of the players’ union I have not received one call to ask what players think. Hugh Dallas makes great play about dialogue being good. He is correct, but by definition, dialogue is two-way.

Not a bad piece of writing from Fraser Wishart, makes a few right good points.

 

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Maybe this would be going to far

 

Celtic Football Club Statementceltic football club statement

Newsroom Staff
AFTER recent events involving the match at Tannadice, and yesterday’s SFA statement, Celtic have issued the following statement.

Celtic Chairman John Reid said: “Following events at Tannadice, it was Celtic's absolute right to request clarification on a matter of this nature. Indeed, it is widely accepted that this was an incident which deserved some explanation.

“It was also correct that the Scottish Football Association conduct an investigation into events following the resignation of an assistant referee. Clearly, as a result of this investigation it is very unfortunate that dishonesty has been proven. This, of course, is a matter for the SFA to deal with.

“However, we are encouraged by the proposals of the new Chief Executive Stewart Regan, to address a series of issues within the SFA and to allow greater transparency and openness in all future decision making. While we would have liked a review to be more independent in nature, Stewart Regan's objectives are to be applauded.

“We fully understand that there is intense pressure on referees in a high-profile environment. We know too that they carry out a very difficult job.

“We now look forward to the review process being carried out and to the implementation of the appropriate recommendations."

 

I voted yes coz it should have been dealt with right away, none of aw this fannying about. The longer it goes the less likely this * gets the punishment deserved

 

what did Irish hooper say to get banned and why was his text edited?

I mean he did labour the point in a irritating way, but by banning his opinion and removing his comments, is that not similar to what the scottish media are doing with callers in the phone ins??

thoughts?

 

You cant loose the momentum now by saying let's get on with it. We need to get this sorted once and for all because it is unjust and our history should never allow us to accept second best. This is an unprecendent opportunity to right the wrongs!!!

 

Voted no.This is exactly what the huns/sfa/media want from us they,ll keep printing stories made to look like were still moaning and paranoid until even our own fans say enough.Well i say * that well let it rest when we see change and the sectarian bias stamped out of the sfa for ever

 

Agreed

 

compared to rangers, we are hard done by
compared to the rest of the SPL? we are favored

i think its time we play through any bias that could exist, 3 penos today, no way we can claim any bias

 

I hope to * we don't have to depend on you when a fight comes, because all we will see is the back of your heals and dust like the rest of the spineless fans who want to tip their hats off to the Sweet. *. All.
Ask yourself the question why don't they want an independant panel to find out the truth or is that the real fear to find out the truth and Rock the establishment

 

spineless

 

'Whistlegate' has been going on for what? 2-3 weeks???
The persecution, in terms of refs against Celtic, has been going on for over 50 years.
Kinda renders your question null & void...
Don't stop until there's change, significant change - and I don't mean Tims in charge - I mean refs imported, with the authoritative figures being from FIFA HQ directly. It's the only way to ensure fairness.
Any true Celtic fan wouldn't want anything less - why?
Yes it would be nice to have refs on our side for once but why give the scum the chance to play the 'paranoid' card. Let's have fairness, decisions going the way they should and we'll see who will be victorious.
(after all, proper decisions would not only ensure that the correct decisions would be awarded for Celtic - but would also ensure at least one monkey would be sent off each game, their penalty awards would fall dramatically, etc, etc, etc - a huge difference would be made and would be reflected in the league standing)

 

* off you ya wee * you no * all about the way I support my club! Because all I want is what is best for the club!! I suppose you're one of mindless * that went fur the poppy banner!! Listen what kind of investigation is going on against the bias against our club??? NONE! I'll tell you whats happened a ref has lied to his superiors not CELTIC!!!!! And idiots like you are getting carried away with yourselfs saying this and that and it's going to sort the sfa out! It's * not!! Did you even bother yur * tae read my OP! Now away and give it a * rest for * sake!!!

 

ha ha 3 penos is right ...... is that coincidence or what...... wonder is it the fact the eye is on the referrees now . i certainly think so, and long may it continue...... hugh dallas is going straight to *

 

+1 Spot on!