What would happen if Celtic left Scottish football

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There would be renewed interest for supporters of your Aberdeen, Hearts n Hibs and Dundee Utd. They should have a genuine chance of winning the league without Celtic running away with it every year.

As far as crowds go, Aberdeen and Hearts can fill their stadium if they are playing well on a good run.

Hibs have a fairweather support and very rarely reach their 20,000 capacity. They would only do it twice a season against Hearts if the Glasgow teams left.
Dundee United even smaller again. Dundee derby would maybe attract about 15,000.

I could see a title decider between Aberdeen and Hearts selling out 20k quite comfortably.
But I could also see Dundee United v Hibs attracting less than 10k...they'd need to offer free half time methadone for the residents of Lochee and Leith to get a decent crowd in

 

Honkin' patter.

 

Pointless discussion..

Why would we want to leave a league where we're totally dominate.. and to go where..?

 

I think a title decider between any two teams would sell out. You see it all the time in cup finals or play off games. When games matter the more causal fan will turn out.

But even based on what you say, two teams selling out 20k stadiums, and a few selling 10-15k tickets each week, is still in line with most smaller European nations.

Scotland has league crowds of around 1.9m each season. Even if you cut that by 66% we still have total crowds bigger than the likes of Hungary, Serbia, and Croatia, and they all support decent profession leagues. And that's without the big upside potential that comes with teams actually having a decent chance of winning the league.

 

Your correct man. Most countries have a list of 1,2, or 3 clubs that win their
leagues. It's rare for other teams to break the trend.
Holland ....Ajax, Feyenoord and P.S.V Eindhoven...rest of the league is gash.
Portugal aswell......Sporting Lisbon, Benfica and Porto....rest of the teams are also-rans.
Greece....Panathinaikos, Olympiakos, AEK Athens,
Turkey....Galatasaraay, Fenerbache, Besiktas

It's not just Scotland. Although people make a bigger deal of it when referring to Scottish football.
It's not a fair criticism to use when most countries are the same.

Mid 90s Italian football was the only time I remember when many teams were capable and had a genuine chance of winning the league,

I'd say any one of AC Milan, Juventus. Inter Milan, Lazio, Roma, Fiorentina, Parma and maybe Sampdoria were capable of winning Serie A in thd 90s. That's 8 teams. I don't think that'll happen again

 

I would much prefer for us to stay in Scotland and perform better and better in Europe.

 

Spent a long time of my life wanting us to move to league where we can realise our full potential - getting older, don't want that anymore, just want our league and funding to be better.

We got a fairly decent product as a collective and I hope one day we get decent funding.

Surely, to these mega loaded billionaires there is potential within our league.

You look at what's going on at Wrexham and that's a long game to see roi. If someone bought a Dundee for example, it would be cheap as chips to buy, see European football of some kind inside a year or two. They would likely attract better TV revenue because they were competing with us and the dirty hun.

Honestly believe, our league is one billionaire away from times changing.

That being said, if a filthy rich billionaire wants to invest in the spfl, hope we are the team that benefits from that - one day

 

Well this is the problem.....playing in Scotland is not beneficial for us in Europe.
The attraction of a plastic pitch at Kilmarnock...or Motherwell's 'battle of the somme' themed playing surface.....or a Wednesday night snow storm trip to Dingwall....is not enough to attract the best players to play for us. In fact the rest of Scottish football is a deterrent for players.

It's also does us no good hammering say St Johnstone or St Mirren on the weekend if we're trying to prepare to play say Barcelona on the Wednesday. The ridiculously large jump in standards throws us off immediately, we can be goals down by the time we adjust.

I dont think staying in Scotland and progression in Europe can happen together I'm afraid

 

Us and I think Partick Thistle are the only clubs in Scotland that made a profit of any sort last year.
Billionaires have money to burn but they would not invest their cash in something just to make a guaranteed loss.
Rather than buying St Johnstone, investing multi multi millions into them, and transforming them completely into a club capable of winning the league.....
It would be more profitable and it'd make better business sense to buy St Johnstone, sell whatever player assets they have, pay off their staff, close down the club....then demolish the stadium. build houses on the land then sell them for 300 grand a go

 

Yes but we can start to do better in Europe and kick on from this season while picking up consistent domestic silverware.

I used to really want us to join the EPL back in the day for example but I cannot stand that horrible money soaked spoilt corrupt league. I am proud of our history in Scottish Football and proud of Scottish football. We punch above our weight. Our clubs have been in 10 European Club finals and if we not for cheating .astards in 74 and 84 should have been 12.

I really think we can vastly improve in Europe. But I do get they people talk of us perhaps joining another league. But really is only talk.

 

Celtic ARE the "Scottish football"
We're going nowhere (insert the Di Caprio gif)
Others may * off to wherever they wish (and die there for good this time

 

Sorry that is nonsense. St. Johnstone for example have £2.8m in cash reserve right now.

If the bought 4 player at £2.5m a piece in January they would easily be out of the relegation zone and likely be competing for a European spot next season. That could result equate to quick roi.

Now let's compare that to Southampton, who £93m in outstanding obligations. 4 players at £2.5m doesn't even fix their relegation possibilities, let alone European football.

Additionally, Southampton getting Some cash injection wouldn't raise the premierships profile. If a team outside celtic or rangers got a cash injection of sorts then it makes the league more desirable to TV deals, sponsorship deals etc.

My point being, I don't think the key for own success lies in moving league. The key lies in makign our league better

 

I just picked St Johnstone out of thin air. Could be any of the smaller teams....Ross County then.....replace St Johnstone with Ross County.

Also if St Johnstone have £2.8 million in reserve then they are still a long shot away from affording these 4 players at £2.5 million a piece that you are talking about....cause that'd cost them £10 million. I don't understand what you mean there

 

With Madrid wanting to leave their Spanish league due to referee bias, aye right, we might get to see what happens when a team leaves its national football federation

 

In Italy 4 teams have won the league in the past 5 years. So theirs is somewhat competitive.

I think Scotland has that view because in the last 40 years only 3 teams have won it, Celtic, Rangers and Sevco. Other teams rarely win the cups too over the past 9. Celtic have taken 5 trebles and 2 doubles in the past 8 seasons, and likely to take at least a double this season. other countries are becoming so much like that though.

EPL- 7 years 2 winners
Bundesliga Germany- 11 years 2 teams
Bundesliga Austria- 11 years 2 teams
Ligue 1- 7 years 2 teams
La Liga- 20 years 3 teams
Primeria Liga- 23 years, 3 teams
Eredvisie- 13 years 3 teams.

All the above leagues have 1 of those teams currently top.

 

TBH St Johnstone could buy 4 players at 500k a piece or offer good wages to some English league 1 and 2 players out of contract and they'd probably improve vastly.

 

I completely agree with this, but I also understand the sentiment of fans from smaller clubs not wanting mergers.

 

It wouldn’t make a difference if a billionaire invested in a club, or even if multiple billionaires invested in multiple clubs, in Scotland.
The problem is, there isn’t the population to sustain high attendances and TV viewing in order to turn it into a long term profitable league, like they have in England, Spain, Italy and Germany.

You could pump millions into a St. Johnstone or a Dundee but with less than 10k in attendance every week and no interest in the clubs/league from outside the country, as well as the minuscule prize money for winning the league, there’s would be no potential for a decent roi.
Even a decent run in Europe every so often wouldn’t make it worth the investment.