What would happen if Celtic left Scottish football

It won't happen because England doesn't need us. Wed have to start from 10th or 11th tier, so giving up millions in revenue each season so the club wouldn't want it either.

If it did happen it would be down to how Aberdeen, Hearts, Dundee United and Hibs take their chance. I couldn't see any other clubs winning the league but they'd probably still * up in Europe.

 

Yeah, they only need us and our money when it comes to testimonials and benefit matches because they know our support will travel

 

If Celtic go anywhere, I'd rather it wasn't England, and I would absolutely rather it wasn't hand in hand with Sevco.

I think it could be better for Scottish football if we left - Celtic and The Rangers are equally hated in Scotland. We're seen as two cheeks of the same *; we've completely dominated the game for nearly 40 years, and unless someone with more cash than sense comes in and buys Hibs or summit, nobody else is winning it any time soon.

Without us, I reckon Aberdeen, Hibs, Hearts and Dundee United would likely fill their grounds. There would be a genuinely exciting title race. Right now, EVERYONE accepts it'll be either us or Sevco before a ball is even kicked. It's a complete farce.

If teams like St Mirren and Dundee etc., had a serious chance of a trophy then that would boost the size of their crowds surely?

Let's face it, our Board have zero interest in making Scottish football more competitive. They want to remain top dogs with The Rangers. They also won't join the lower leagues in England, because without success, our attendances would take a drastic hit.

How long can Scottish football go on like this, though? Will it get to 50, 60, 70 years since Aberdeen won the league?
Will more and more Scottish kids become far more interested in the EPL - even Glasgow born kids who might find Scottish football boring, repetitive and predicable?

At some point, even SKY will lose interest. Thanks to Sevco, we don't even have the toxic atmosphere in the stadium as our USP any more, lol.

I think: F*ck Sevco. Celtic should look to join some Atlantic set-up and leave Scottish clubs to find their own level - which is what the fans of all the other Scottish clubs want to happen.

 

We don't have to "leave" Scottish football to grow.

But we do have to merge with smaller nations like ourselves to maximise exposure and revenue.

The CL is more or less a closed shop. That's only going to get worse as the financial disparity between smaller and larger football nations gets bigger and bigger, despite Uefas bullshit attempts.

It was Desmond, and Desmond alone, who put the sword into the last merger, which would have seen a revenue of 350m split between 20 teams from Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Ireland, and Scotland, with JP Morgan financing.

Desmond torpedoed it under the belief more money was to be made in the current European set up.
Which is true.... As long as we are competing in the CL or latter stages of the Europa.

He ignored the potential for that leagues growth, and if course th benefit if getting the * away from this corrupted * hole of a set up.

Even Uefa gave it the go ahead.

Time is running out. The longer we leave it, the fewer options will be available. Holland has already more or less abandoned the early plans, as it's domestic league is outstripping all of the above, and now only plans to merge it's domestic leagues with Belgium.

It's only a matter of time before the Scandinavian leagues merge with eachother too.

As usual, Desmond is a * blight on this club and is holding us back from true growth in all sectors.

 

I believe its actually the bigotry that needs to be publicly called out on national television with the SFA and referees being named and shamed publicly.
This will force the issue and eventually will benefit Scottish football by getting rid of these bigoted sectarian scum.
That's the only way that Scottish football will grow.

 

Have to disagree, in part anyway.

Scottish footballs tribalism is one of the few things it has going for it.
Hearts V Hibs.
The Old Firm, followed by the Glasgow Derby. Etc.

It's games like that, tinged with an element of a subculture which suggests "danger", which is part of the attraction to foreign viewers.

Derbys down south are a snore fest. And shift according to supremacy.
No one gives a * about Newcastle V Sunderland , apart from Geordie dirt people. Man U V Liverpool is dead. As is Man U V Arsenal. Everyon V Liverpool is a snooze.

People tune into games with far less quality for that element of, let's say, actual hatred. People don't tune into Greek, Turkish, or Brazilian derbys for the quality. They watch because they know an element of "madness" is there, unsantised and a little bit dangerous.
That ref getting clocked the other day will probably increase viewership.

People would watch an obese Texan crash into a lamppost on a mobility scooter, before they'd watch a Bugatti doing 100 miles an hour on a straight road.

I agree that calling out sectarianism in all it's forms is the correct thing to do. And we should do it, * yesterday. But it wouldn't lead to an improvement in quality. Nor give rise to a higher income domestically.

We need to get the * out of this league. Take Sevco, Hearts, Hibs, and the sheep with us, and forge a new future where bigots won't have the opportunities they have, rather than trying to reeducate, convert, or even punish them.

A sevconite is a dirty mutant, all the punishments and public shaming of the week only makes them more desperate to spread their vile. Case in point; 2012. And in Scotland, they will ALWAYS have the opportunities.

 

Aye just the hundred. Jesus *.

 

Courts have just spanked Uefa.

Superleague a goer now, for certain. With or without the EPL sides.

If the EPL sides are unable to join, because of fan preasurre, or Govt. interference, it spells the end for their domination of the worlds best talent, and as follows, the end of their bubble.

I'd say the club's will go, despite it all. Their domestic fans will get over it and they'll leave, the rest left behind will collapse under the weight of their own finances, and then Celtic and Sevco will be invited to prop up interest and finances for the pishy clubs left behind with miniature fan bases and zero international appeal.

We should tell them to * away aff.

But...

This could be the opening we need to either leave Scottish football, or merge it with a more powerful league.

 

Scottish football would be even worse without us obviously. Was fairly pish when there was just 1 of us out of it so 2 it would be Welsh league standard.

 

One things for sure, the other teams income from domesticated sources would skyrocket for them.

When Rangers died the rags and pundits declared Armageddon.
Attendances rocketed at the other clubs. Without Rangers there to take second the likes of Hearts, Hibs and sheep fans all wanted the second spot and the European spot. Their fans filled the grounds at every game.

Without the ourselves and Sevco, it would be even more, as would things like club TV subscriptions and season ticket demand.

 

If talking about what happens to Celtic and what happens if we joined, for arguments sake, the EPL.

Sadly I would say it would be a case of within 5 years, we'd easily be taken over by suspicious billions.

As for Scottish league itself, over a good few decades it will just be equal to national league level.

 

Whatever happens. We need to be ready to go with it. If that means leaving Scottish football behind, so be it.

Clubs look to maximise their potential and revenue all the time. We need to be the same. Get our head up and be the best we can be.

The SPFL would adjust accordingly without out us. There could some sort of parachute payment for 5 years as well.

Many options, all need to be explored.

 

We would likely embarrass ourselves in a European league set up. Best we stay where we are.

 

I’m noticing allot of younger folk don’t support any Scottish teams and just watch the EPL

 

European Super League: Revamped proposal launched for European competition

We should do it - leave the bent refs and var for other teams to worry about

Revamped plans for a controversial European Super League have been announced after a top court ruled that banning clubs from joining a breakaway league was unlawful.

The proposal is for a league system which would include 64 men's clubs and 32 women's clubs.

The plans for a new ESL format would rival current Uefa tournaments.

Following the announcement, Manchester United said in a statement they remain "fully committed" to Uefa competitions.

United were one of the founding clubs of the original ESL but backed out following widespread condemnation of the plans.

The club said their position has "not changed" and they remain dedicated to "positive cooperation with Uefa, the Premier League, and fellow clubs through the ECA [European Clubs Association] on the continued development of the European game."

A case was brought by the ESL and its backers claiming Uefa and Fifa were breaking competition law by threatening to sanction those who joined the breakaway league.

On Thursday the European Court of Justice found against the governing bodies but said that did not mean a breakaway league would "necessarily be approved".

But the ruling has opened the door for new proposals to be put forward and for clubs to look to organise and manage European football competitions.

Put forward by A22 - backers of the original ESL - the new proposal outlines an annual promotion and relegation system with no permanent members.

Fans would also be able to watch live matches for free on a new digital streaming platform.

No clubs or prize money have been announced but in a statement the ECA said: "To be absolutely clear, the judgment in no way whatsoever supports or endorses any form of Super League project.

"Football is a social contract not a legal contract - all the recognised stakeholders of European and world football - spanning confederations, federations, clubs, leagues, players and fans - stand more united than ever against the attempts by a few individuals pursing personal agendas to undermine the very foundations and basic principles of European football."

Following the ECJ's ruling, the Football Supporters Association said: "There is no place for an ill-conceived breakaway super league.

"Supporters, players and clubs have already made clear they don't want a stitched-up competition - we all want to see the trigger pulled on the walking dead monstrosity that is the European Zombie League.

"While the corpse might continue to twitch in the European courts, no English side will be joining.

"Success must be earned on the pitch, not stitched-up in boardrooms."

The ESL saga began in April 2021 when news broke that 12 teams - including English teams Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham - had signed up to the breakaway competition.

There was widespread fury and condemnation from fans, European domestic leagues and even government, leading to the collapse of the plans within 72 hours.

Revamped European Super League proposal - how would new competition work?
The proposal from A22 says the new competition would include the continent's top clubs in men's and women's football.

In the men's competition, the top tiers - the Star League and the Gold League - would each consist of 16 teams while the Blue League, the bottom tier, would consist of 32 clubs with promotion and relegation between each tier.

The teams that finish in the top eight of each league go into the knockout stages, with quarter-finals and semi-finals played over two legs and the finals held at neutral venues.

The bottom 20 teams in the Blue league would be relegated from the competition entirely and replaced by the top-performing clubs from European domestic leagues.

The two teams that make the final of the Gold and Blue leagues would be promoted up a tier, while the two teams that finish bottom of the Star and Gold leagues would be relegated down a tier.

Matches would be played in midweek, allowing the new competition to be run in tandem with European domestic leagues.

The proposed women's competition would be run on a similar model.

"Our position has not changed. We remain fully committed to participation in UEFA competitions, and to positive cooperation with UEFA, the Premier League, and fellow clubs through the ECA on the continued development of the European game."

Who would be interested in a breakaway league?
The collapse of the original ESL came when nine of the 12 clubs who signed up to the project stepped back in 2021 with Juventus also withdrawing their interest earlier this year.

Spanish clubs Real Madrid and Barcelona have stuck to the general principles of having a new European competition and after plans for a revamped ESL were announced Barca president Joan Laporta said "the time has come for clubs to have greater control over their destiny".

In a video posted on social media, he said: "With an improved European competition and more resources from the clubs, the national leagues will become more balanced and competitive.

"We believe that an historic opportunity is now open to try to show some of the serious problems that currently jeopardise the future viability of the vast majority of clubs.

"Barcelona will try to promote methods to improve current European competitions in an open and fully meritocratic format, making football more sustainable for the club, much more supportive of * football, more attractive and affordable for fans around the world. This proposal aims to improve football as a whole."

Real Madrid president Florentino Perez also declared it a "great day for the history of football".

However, aside from the two Spanish giants, other European clubs and leagues have joined Manchester United in opposing the ESL.

Bayern Munich expressed their support for European competition under Uefa and said "the door for the Super League at FC Bayern remains closed".

The German Football League, which is in charge of the Bundesliga, said it "explicitly supports the European sports model and rejects competitions outside those competitions organised by the federations and the leagues".

France's Ligue de Football Professionnel said it "unequivocally supports" competitions organised by Uefa.

 

Actually..we should say yes..UEFA will * their pants and then we can use it to leverage UEFA to stop the corrupt refs.

 

No way, I'm travelling 100 miles for a 'home' game.

 

Aberdeen chairman Dave Cormack is already talking to other clubs because he believes the European Court of Justice's ruling "will be the Trojan horse towards" a European Super League.

The ECJ says banning clubs from joining the ESL was unlawful and Uefa and Fifa are "abusing a dominant position".

It added that did not mean a breakaway league would "necessarily be approved".

But Cormack expects the ESL to happen and that it will mean huge changes in Scottish football.

"This ruling will most likely change European football forever," he said on X, formerly Twitter.

"This will be the Trojan horse towards a European Super League and ultimately cross-border leagues, because when the biggest clubs leave their national leagues the commercial value for the remaining teams will plunge.

"Replacing the three European competitions will be approximately 60 clubs forming three leagues based on ranking and being guaranteed a minimum 14 European club games each season.

"The only opportunity for clubs ranked 61+ will be to go through qualification rounds to enter the third league only, where there will be relegation."

Cormack says he has already held talks with "like-minded clubs" designed to ensure access to European football, because the consequence of the court ruling and advent of the ESL would be to double the financial gap between Celtic and Rangers and the rest of Scottish football.

"As usual, in Scotland, we have slept-walked our way into this without any discussion. Your board at Aberdeen FC has been expecting this decision for some time," he added.

"Throughout our history, including this season's group stages, the appetite for European football if anything has grown significantly.

"We are working with like-minded clubs across Europe to make sure we do our utmost to deliver European club competition with similarly competitive clubs, the absence of which will lead to double the current gap in finances versus Celtic and Rangers, who will be included in those 60 ranked teams."

The case was brought to the ECJ by the ESL and its backers, who claimed Uefa and Fifa were breaking competition law by threatening to sanction those who joined the breakaway league.

Following the judgement, Uefa said it was "confident in the robustness" of rules while ESL backers A22 have released revamped proposals.

 

I do very regularly and have for decades now and IF that is what supporters/fans of other Clubs decided to do that is fine but the problem is when clueless individuals start to say do this and things will be better... when they clearly don't even have a lose grasp on the geography of the place.
What next Ross county and Stranraer can ground share aye

 

Lets get into the new super league.its back on.lol.as i keep saying we are playing in a hun bias league every season.HH