What’s our scouting and recruitment plan?

Thought it was pretty good and true


Every * sat in front of FIFA or football manager thinks they are a scout

 

See if my sole job was to search for players with all the resources Celtic have I.e already existing connection to agents and clubs and 8hrs a day to do nothing but evaluate players I genuinely wouldn't do any worse of a job.

People forget scouting is a full time job and scouts will have contacts all over the world.

 

Nobody knows, which is the entirety of the problem.

 

I'd do it for half the pay and come up with better players.

That's not being smart about it.
Of course the "digital age" has allowed more people access to videos and information the world over for players. But it's also opened that world up to professionally paid scouts who do this for a living. No excuses.

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Don't really see much wrong with that article.

 

I am not sure scouting is actually our problem, I think the Mark Lawwell era possibly him and was it Joe Dungeon but and it is speculating the problem lies in how we get deals done, the time we take, how out of touch our negotiators are.

Jansson there was a prime example his clubs looking for £8-10m and we start the bidding at £2m. Think of that in buying a house terms you go for a £300k house with an opening offer of about £75k. It’s just ridiculous.

Now the above is purely speculating but the evidence of this being an issue is starting to build up. We are linked and I know not all links are real, but linked with the right sort of talent only for it to drag on and on, then more often than not we don’t get the target.

Previously we used to move to a quick punt alternative but until this window we actually seem to just not sign anyone and go a player light. We done it with Ange at left back and centre midfield his first summer, we’ve done it with left back and wingers under Rodgers then a striker. Again that is like running a company that manufacturers something and you lose one of your main operators and just decide to ask the other two guys to do more and don’t bother replacing them.

 

Just totally missing the point, it’s not about youtube highlights but more the fact of the players experience and history gives a clear indication of what we can expect.

Nygren created a lot of excitement and wasn’t solely based on youtube but his age, experience and cut price etc.

Our issue is that the club clearly has a blinkered approach when getting players in, we identify one target and can then spend weeks chasing/monitoring instead of having several options open at all times we work through.

We need a modernised approach not trust the old system that usually leaves us in the lurch and panic buying near the end of every * window.

 

Spot on.

 

I think we have several different models being used and campared to see which one is being the most profitable. I dont think we have one set in stone yet.

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It’s a mess.

Just comes across as completely scattergun with no real consistent theme. Well, other than constantly signing cheap punts who almost always clog up the squad for 3 years before we can finally get shot of them.

We’ve still not really been linked with genuine quality yet this window. I honestly worry that because Engels had a fairly disappointing season, and Idah has been massively hit and miss…that the club are hesitant to spend big on individual players this summer.

Thought last year was a turning point. Finally catching up with modern football and spending £10m+ on a player. But so far this summer it’s been £1.5m here, £3m there. Putting in a £2m bid for someone worth 4/5 times that.

We sold Kyogo months ago for £10m. And it looks like we’re going to replace him with another £1.5m punt from Japan. A striker who has scored 2 goals this season. Now he may go on to do well but it doesn’t scream quality. It’s yet another “hopeful” signing. Not someone who immediately comes in and takes us up a level.

Season starts in 3 weeks and we have Forrest, Yang, Palma and Tillio as 4 of our 5 wingers if we include Maeda as a winger.

It’s * grim.

 

We aren't replacing Kyogo with a £1.5m punt. We moved Kyogo on and moved Maeda through the middle where he was incredibly effective(far more so that Kyogo was under Rodgers). Yamada is likely to replace Kenny as a 3rd choice striker and we spent £8m bringing Jota back to replace Maeda for the Left Wing.

We need more but you know fine well that we aren't bringing Yamada in to be first choice striker. He may become that if he performs like he did last season for Kawasaki but we are bringing him in to add depth. Is he better than Kenny? Yes, very likely. Is he better than Idah? Let's see.

 

Osmand is replacing Kenny. Not Yamada.

There’s not a chance we’re going with 4 strikers when Rodgers only plays 1. Signing two strikers this window only points to Maeda moving back to left wing.

Idah , Yamada and Osmand is the pecking order, I’d imagine. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if Maeda is kept as the striker and we sign a proper first team level left winger. But given our track record, I wouldn’t count on it.

 

It's going to be Maeda LW, Nygren RW, Idah or Yamada up top......guaranteed opening day.

 

No one said we will be going with 4 strikers. I think Osmand will go out on loan and I think we either sell or loan out Kenny as well.

We are clearly targeting wingers. It's where the majority of the links have been.

 

Nygren won't be playing RW

 

We all know that our club will never speculate to accumulate unless there is complete change at the top. None of us are advocating that we splash millions for the sake of it however, to continue with the current tight arsed approach could see us not only loosing out on the big CL bucks but also put us in danger of failing domestically. Also, we need a complete overhaul of our scouting system as whoever identified the likes of Engles, Trusty and Idah as good players needs hunted and replaced by people who know a good player when they see one.

 

Be shocked if Osmand has moved up here just to get sent out on loan.

We are targeting wingers, but we need about 3 of them if Maeda is our striker. Otherwise we have 4 at the club and the only decent one is Forrest who will probably play 10-15 games off the bench with a couple of starts.

 

If everyone is fit our first Premiership game will likely see the team be

Gk Schmeichel
RB Johnston
RCB CCV
LCB Scales
LB Tierney
CM McGregor
CM Engels
CM Hatate/Nygren (depending if Hatate is still here)
LW Balikwisha or other new left winger
RW Nygren/ Forrest (depends if Hatate is here)
ST Maeda

Bench
GK Sinisalo
LB Inamura/Murray
CB Trusty
RB Ralston
CM McCowan
CM Bernardo
Winger Forrest/Yang
ST Idah
ST Yamada

I do think there will be quite a few changes to that team before the window closes like another Centre back in, a first team right winger, another centre midfielder if Hatate goes and possibly another left back depending how Inamura does against harder tests in preseason.

 

So would I, in fairness. I said that on the Yamada thread, last night. If we have brought Osmand in just to send him out on loan for a season, he could have done that down at Fulham. It doesn't help us attract these sort of youngsters from down south if the first thing we do is punt them out on loan to the lower leagues of England or to someone else in the Premiership. It's not the greatest look.

Which is why i don't see the point in the Yamada signing. Don't get me wrong, he certainly looks like he could add something but will he get the minutes to show that? At 25 years old, he's not a young man, he's not going to really make us any additional money so I just don't see the point in it, especially when it's to the detriment of young Osmands development. However, if you take our 3 strikers of Maeda, Idah and Yamada, it's definitely stronger than Maeda, Idah and Kenny/Osmand. He's shown consistent levels over in Japan.

Time will tell, I guess. The thing is, none of us have really seen Yamada play. He might be * phenomenal in the system we play and Rodgers might decide to go with him and move Maeda left. We are judging a player on value and we just can't do that. Especially given we bought Maeda for the same price, Kuhn was only £3m. I think everyone is looking at the players we have signed so far and are automatically thinking they're going into the starting 11. It's to make the squad stronger. Some are for developmental purposes and some are likely being brought in to make the club a bit of extra cash when the time comes, like Inamura.

I just think too much is being made of the situation right now.