We'll be seeded 3rd if we reach CL group stages

How much of a coefficient boost do you get for advancing to the last 16 of the cl in comparison to say finishing 3rd and making the europa quarter final?

 

That was binned when they finalised things in December.

http://www.uefa.org/mediaservices/newsid=2430054.html

 

We are always full of bravado at the end of every season talking about coming 2nd or 3rd in the Group and reaching the final of the EL etc then we draw teams like Elfsborg in the qualifiers and start * ourselves

Then we usually get into the Group and think "* we probably won't win a game".

 

I get your point and I'm not saying I prefer 3rd to 2nd if we reach the CL Group Stage; but I will agree with him that there are good sides to both, mate.

Listen, what you say here is true as far as it goes, but it's not actually our situation. It's not that we have a better chance of winning the EL; it's that we have absolutely no chance of winning the CL. None. Zero.

 

Quite rightly too, given that we only qualify about 50% of the time! These matches are so difficult.

That depends on the draw and we usually tend to get a bad one.

 

You get 5 bonus points for reaching the last 16 of the CL. You might also have some extra points because you've finished 2nd instead of 3rd - but that wouldn't always be the case.

You don't receive any bonus points in the EL until you hit the QF. But you have an extra 4 games in which to accumulate points. Whether you get more in the CL or EL depends on how well you do in those 4 games - anything from 4 to 8 points.

I don't think there's that much of a points difference between them, when you take into account the big bonus you get for reaching the CL last 16.

 

Quite a difference I would think 9 points usually qualify you for last sixteen so if you dropped two with a draw instead of a win giving you seven points but then going to europa league final through six games were you win three of them then the coeff points accumulated will be higher

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There really doesn't appear to be much of a difference. Over the last few years there's maybe about half a coefficient point in it on average.

 

Yeh I would concede to that if they are giving you 5 bonus points for qualifying for last sixteen now

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Leicester winning the EPL last season and going straight in as a pot 1, while we are left to play 3 qualifiers (I believe thats jumping to 4 in the next couple of seasons) to be put in to pot 3 or 4 sums up the modern game.

$$$$$$$$$$

 

The year we beat Barca and got to the last 16, Benfica finished third in our group, dropped into the EL and went on to play Chelsea in the final which they lost in the 93rd minute of injury time.

I'd rather we qualified for the last 16 because it's better for our reputation and it's probably better for our coefficient but if we did drop into the EL, I'd be confident of going on a run. I'd love to see us win a European trophy and the reality is, our best hope is the EL. We've no chance in the CL.

 

if the choice was between last 32

at the end of the day either would be fantastic and I think in the moment every fan would be desperate to win the game that achieves progression in the champions league. but it wouldnt take long to get over it if we made a decent crack at the europa league.

purely hypothetically as achieving either may well be far beyond us, but if you were offered quarter finals of the champions league or winning europa league I would pick winning the europa league every time, wouldn't you?

 

I'm more concerned about us getting back to the group stages first than thinking of any cup runs.

Our first game in the second round I expect us to win.
The next game has the potential of a Rosenberg, Astana, Hapoel, Malmo. Tricky but very winable.
We get thru that & the playoff round is a another tough one. BATE, Apoel, Ludgorets. Again very winable but I'd be quite optimistic we have too much for all these teams.
Two legged knockout football is a nervy formnat, you can understand why the big boys are insisting their teams go straight into the group stage to avoid all this uncertainty.

I'll worry about seedings when we're confirmed in the pot!!

 

As fans we can only dream on our potential Brendan rodgers will be taking it a game at a time it's the only way to put a run together this season in the league he has took it a game at a time and not looked 4 weeks in front at all only thing he would look ahead for is recruitment

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We weirdly seem to play teams all the time that go on to reach finals.

Like in 2001/02 we played Juventus who reached the CL final the season after, Porto in 2001/02 who won the Europa League the season after and then CL the season after that and Valencia in 2001/02 who won the EL two season after. We played Liverpool in 2002/03 who won the CL two seasons after, we played Barcelona in 2003/04 who won the CL two seasons later, we played AC Milan in 2004/05 they reached the CL final that season, we played AC Milan in 2006/07 who won the CL that season, Man Utd in 2006/07 who won the CL the season after, we played Barcelona in 2007/08 they won the CL the season after, we played Shakhtar Donetsk in 2007/08 who won the EL the season after, we played Man Utd in 2008/09 who reached the CL final 2 seasons after, we played Braga in 2010/11 who reached the EL final that season, we played Atletico Madrid in 2011/12 who won the EL that season, we played Benfica in 2012/13 who reached the EL final that season and the season after, we played Barcelona in 2013/14 they won the CL the season after and we played Ajax in 2015/16 who reached the EL final the season after.

Last 16 seasons we have played teams who have went on to reach 18 European finals within 2 seasons of playing us. No doubt we'll be seeing Man City, Barca or Gladbach in one soon.

 

I think the benchmark for success should still be just to get there. Anything more, be it in the champions league or the europa cup, is just a bonus.

The champions league is a carve up, pure and simple. So while it is great for celtic to be involved, I dont think we have any realistic chance of ever coming even close to winning. So I get why from a fans perspective people enjoy the europa cup a lot more. But for the money and the prestige, getting into the champions league groups each year should be the target - no more and no less.

 

Tbf, I don't think anyone is suggesting that it is better for us to playing in the Europa League exclusively.

I think the point is, if we get into the group stages of the Champions League - which is by far the most lucrative phase of the competition - and reap the financial rewards from doing so, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for us to finish third in the group and then to drop into the EL after Christmas.

In that scenario, we'd have achieved the maximum financial rewards that come with being in the CL, while at the same time, be then playing in a competition that we have a very realistic prospect of winning.

Of course during the group stage games, no-body is going to actively wish for third if qualifying from the group is a real possibility, but should we fail to quality, dropping into the EL will have its own merits.

 

We need to have the hunger to want to go far every season only way to keep up exposure and money if we just have ambitions for the groups then that's where we will stay all the time

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Well obviously anyone would pick an EL trophy every time, not least because it will qualify us directly to CL GS under the new access policy (and virtually guaranteed it even under the old) - but that's not the question that's being asked.

People in this thread are slagging EL participants like Lyon and Ajax as if they're crap sides. And what about other EL clubs this year like Roma and Besiktas and Anderlecht? Reality check: We couldn't even beat Monchengladbach last year.