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Weaker than we were in December, YET I

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by jake10, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:56 PM.

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  1. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    My very basic take is this, if you as a Celtic fan believe we are weaker as a team now than before the window you place a greater importance on Kyogo’s loss than on Jota’s gain and to me that is miles wide of the mark not only for talent and quality but even moreso in the context of their age and ability to operate with a Rodgers team.

    Valle to Schlupp, who knows, but it’ll be marginal and GT was first choice beforehand regardless.
     
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    We also have a thinner squad. Yes, fillers like Palma or Welsh aren't important now, but we have Murray to cover at RCB in case of injury.

    Losing Kyogo means we have to rely on Idah's current form continuing. Maeda will be starting at LW for some time yet, I expect, until Jota gets fully fit.
     
  3. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    Murray for Welsh was deemed an appropriate move by Rodgers, no issues there. Welsh has had ample chances, Murray hasn’t.

    Palma is deemed less useful than Yang and that is a damning indictment because Yang, for all his endeavour, is utterly useless and will never be a Celtic player so to get rid of Palma is no skin off of our nose whatsoever.

    I’m personally looking forward to seeing a front 3 of Jota, Maeda and Kuhn personally but that’s just because I love all 3 of them. Maeda will be excellent through the middle for us when required, a guy that played there several times in a World Cup for Japan against Spain, Germany and Croatia. Over Kyogo into the bargain.
     
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    While Maeda has excelled for Japan as a striker, it was in a system that was defensive in nature. Rodgers forced Kyogo into holding the ball up for wingers - something neither he, nor Maeda are good at due to their build. Of the rumored names, Strelec fits that role best. Yet, we do not have him.

    I'd be over the moon if Rodgers let Maeda be what he is for Japan, with build-up sacrificed. But we have nothing like the JNT midfield of 2022: 3 hard-working units who excel at spoiling play. Tanaka went to Leeds, and I know he'd been suggested on the appropriate thread. Endo was, alas, nothing but a faint rumor. Morita should be our new Mooy.

    We could have strengthened this window. Instead, we are going to face Bayern like lambs to a slaughterhouse.
     
  5. BigDoggyWoofWoof

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    Losing Kyogo obviously weakens us. Idah isn't a consistent player and we've no one behind him other than some kid. That's reality of it.

    It's how lopsided the team is that gets to me. I can't remember a time we weren't stacked with midfielders and desperately lacking players at the back. Even just purely in terms of numbers, our squad is always overpopulated in midfield and threadbare in front of goal. How it is allowed to continue year after year I'll never know.
     
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    A couple of injuries at left back and up front could leave us very exposed for the business end of the season, credit for getting 2 players in but I still feel the board are lacking the killer touch.
     
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  7. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    How can anyone tell if Idah isn’t consistent? He’s never had a consistent run as first choice to show that. His back up will be Maeda and the next worst case option will be Kenny, one of the top scorers in the Conference League.

    We’ve got the exact same numbers we did before the Window opened. LB is now GT, Schlupp and Scales for the next 6 months. That’s greater depth than lots of other areas of the team.
     
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    For me the lack of a striker coming in will be down to a few things. But all of the concurrent things come after the main point. Rodgers only wants players he’s seen live or players he’s chosen/had before.

    that immediately shortens the odds of getting them as most will have A. Played in England. B. Be on a bigger wage than is paid here.

    you look at all the reports from the last 2 days and it was a case of the strikers not wanting to join us.

    I’m okay with Rodgers wanting who he wants, but he needs to allow our scouting team to bring him valid options.

    we as a club have scouted some brilliant players the last 10 years. I genuinely believe if Rodgers was brought a ‘Hatate’ at £1.5 mil to his table from a league equivalent to Japans he’d say no as he’s trying to convince Dewsbury-hall to come here on loan or another player of similar value down south.

    My only criticism under Rodgers has been his transfers and I don’t lay the blame fully with him. As the board aren’t innocent either. But a lot of our issues will be this new market Rodgers demands we shop in.
     
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  10. neilly1987 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Exactly. They might not make a difference vs Bayern or to us romping the league, but they could make a difference in the qualifiers which won't be easy and are important.
     
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    Mate, he went 14 games without a goal, then scored like 4 in 3 games. That's the definition of inconsistent. As for 'one of the top scorers in the Conference League', give me a break We're playing * Bayern in the next two weeks.

    It was a general comment about always lacking depth at the back. Besides, Scales is not a LB, he's being drafted in from centre-half where he frequently starts. You're making some contortions here to defend what has for years been our weakest position with the least depth and I can't imagine why.
     
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    That's fine. We'll have a qaulity left back, left winger. A fully settled no1 striker and if not, were signing one anyway. If the big loane turns out good we'll sign him.

    So people's problem with this window is we never signed a striker? And that makes it the worst window ever.. turns out the striker we was buying was willing to come and there team suddenly had a share issue so had money and upd what they wanted. I say good. Glad we never caved in. Paying £14m is stupid. He's not that good.

    Besides... kyogo will be back in the summer going by his first performance :56:
     
  13. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    And what striker could we buy that would make Bayern Munich * their pants mate? We could spend 300 million and not lay a single glove and that’s the reality.

    Scales was used as left back, back up before this window and he may potentially be asked to after it. The left back position ultimately hasn’t changed a single iota. That’s before you factor in we’ve even resolved it long term this window which you seem to be forgetting never mind contorting.
     
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    It's not about making Bayern * themselves, it's about not pretending a Conference quality player can step into Kyogo's shoes. Or that Maeda is suddenly going to become a force starting through the middle. We are obviously weaker for having lost our first-choice striker and not replacing him. The argument against it is ridiculous.

    Resolved in what way? GT hasn't re-signed, we didn't bring in KT, and we've traded one cast-off loanee for another. I don't know what I'm meant to be forgetting, certainly not the years it's been the weakest position in the squad in both its first and second string.

    I understand not wanting to be too negative about the window but this is just a patent refusal to acknowledge how our squad has weakened in some areas and remains weak in others. You can state that as a fact without catastrophising.
     
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    Im not pretending Kenny will step into anyone’s shoes never mind Kyogo’s?

    Idah is our main striker, Maeda is the back up and Kenny will get some mins barring disaster or showing up well. No biggy.

    Resolved in the way we’ve signed as good a left back as we could ever hope to have for the summer onwards and a Premiership utility player as his back up, what more you wanting?
     
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    It's not that we never signed a striker, it's that we let our first choice one go and never replaced him despite apparently knowing for months he would be away. I dunno who said it was the worst window ever, I certainly didn't, I've just highlighted what in my opinion is a lack of forward planning and unwillingness to push on from a postion of strength from the board. If you and others are happy just dominating domestically and keeping the huns at arms length then fair enough.
     
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    Jota improves the wing options by some distance.

    But we are still a striker, a good one, down. I'm not sure weaker is the word I'd use but we are down a man in a key position and we certainly haven't taken steps forward, for me.

    Before the window we had kyogo and Idah for ST, now we have Idah and Kenny. Maeda CAN play there but Rodgers said today in an ideal world you don't take a guy who's scored 16 from LW and move him as you then have to replace his output from there. You could then argue that Jota comes into LW, but we then haven't strengthened the wing position because Yang is still your bench option.

    For me weakened isn't the word. We are still short in the squad though and as we are told the aim is to always come out of every window stronger and I wouldn't say we have. In fact I think "lighter" was the word Rodgers used today.

    It's put more pressure on the summer window.
     
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    We are short of a strike option. The fans all know it, the manager knows it and the club themselves know it but it didn’t happen so we go with what we’ve got and see who grabs their opportunity. Idah already looks to have taken a massive bounce off being the main man.

    I’d have thought you’d have been delighted with Maeda being a central option and you can get the flair player on the wing you’ve been shouting for in the Maeda thread for months? I’m buzzing for it for other reasons but buzzing for it all the same.
     
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    I'm delighted to have Jota back as he's my ideal celtic winger. But I'm not as sold on Maeda in the middle as others due to his link up play etc.

    He's obviously an option there but I'd rather we were able to call upon quality from the bench and being short means I need to watch Yang for another 4 months. That's probably what's fueling my frustrations.

    I also can't deny Maeda has been sensational this season from the wing and helps Taylor going back the way so I think there's a lot of benefits to having him out there.

    Will see what happens.
     
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    Forrest will leapfrog Yang when he returns which should be imminent. Schlupp is also another option.

    Maeda will be a revelation through the middle when needed IMO.
     
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