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Weaker than we were in December, YET I

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by jake10, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:56 PM.

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    Honestly I can see Idah making the position his. I loved Kyogo in our team but Idah is more of an all rounder. Kyogo somewhat dictated how we play, when it worked it was wonderful but when it didn’t we wasted opportunities either playing direct or running off side far too often. Just one example of why I think with the main man we can play more fluid football using his strength aswell in that position.
     
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    Anyone else think idah looked a bit miffed with the fanfare over jota by that sky interviewer at the weekend. Think he is absolutely craving to be as what he called it "the main man".. well now he has the opportunity to finally get his career actually going but it's up to him now

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  3. Mr. Slippyfist

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    Or the best, depending on the mood....
     
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    Referring to Schlupp as high quality is a bit of a stretch let's be honest. Experienced aye. I'm not overly arsed about that anyway we just needed some sort of option to replace Valle.

    People are "moaning" because the club haven't delivered what the manager wanted.

    I really don't see whats controversial here. We let Kyogo go without a replacement (I've also been vocal on his form this season but it doesn't matter). The fact is we are a good player down in his position of the park and Rodgers wanted a replacement. This is why he left the first time and it's why he will leave again. It's also why no manager even close to his level will take us seriously in future, if we keep operating like this.

    Framing it that we technically have Japan's striker again is some coping mechanism. He's barely played as a striker for us and is red hot atm as a LW. Why should we have to move him. Noone was calling for him to be there before this window.
     
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    I think it’s fair to say that he’s been a super sub by winning us cup finals and scoring late against the huns. It’s up to him to work hard and improve, he’s still young and had a good physical size. Let’s hope that he shows consistency. I like his attitude in contrast to others, it’s good to have a balanced dynamic. If any of his peers need brought down to earth the big man will tell them straight behind the scenes.
     
  6. neilly1987 Gold Member Gold Member

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    I keep getting random things popping into my head about this like you do after having an argument.
    I get you canny sign a full new team and ship out all your deadwood every window or just stockpile players incase someone goes off form or gets injured, that's just not realistic.
    Feel we have looked jaded in quite a few games and could have been doing with reinforcements to give us a shot in the arm, so hopefully Jota and Schlupp can provide a bit of that at least, plus I think Hatate has picked up lately, he's the one that mainly springs to mind, and hopefully a few others will too.
    The striker thing is the glaring issue and it also makes things harder for the qualifiers too, would have been good to have a new striker bedded in already. Who knows though, between Idah/Maeda they might be brilliant and never get injured and then I probably won't be bothered.
    Another thing that bothers me is we still aren't really any further away than Yang still getting minutes.
    Sorry that's a pure brain dump and not very coherent but that's the main points in my head.
     
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    This.
     
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    Aw yeah and not building from a position of strength/standing still too.
     
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    Im pretty sure something went wrong with the striker options in the end because otherwise Jota would be unveiled last minute to soften the blow.
     
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    I'm not talking about Bayern.

    Your post there is polar opposite to how I see things so there's probably not much point in debating.

    However, in my view what you've said there is incredibly short sighted. We need to be using each window to look 12-18 months ahead. Not just the next few months. Not once did I say we should sign someone to win the Scottish Cup. Cmon mate. You're a smart guy. Surely you must realise the need to future proof? Sign someone now even on a loan to buy and they could be our striker option in the summer. We all know how that window is gonna go.

    That's before considering injuries that could atill happen this season. Genuinely bewildered at folk defending the approach but clearly we won't agree.

    I was genuinely believing we'd back Rodgers and sign the required players this window leaving just tweaks in the summer. I'll never make the same mistake again.

    Taking everything I've said above aside, listen to Rodgers and what he wants. Doesn't a guy who has delivered so much success deserve a bit more? Neverrmind fans supposedly "moaning".
     
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    It’s always in Brendan’s interest to put a bit of pressure on them. He still holds some power and he’s playing his cards right. I do think there is a threshold though and the business people at Celtic will always weigh up the risk/reward factor when deciding whether to sign the opportunities we have now, which by all accounts sound like either a rip off or not good enough. Or.. we wait until the summer and see if we have better opportunities. The fact that we are not realistically looking to progress in Europe at this stage will be taken into account, because to progress we would practically be looking at matching Bayern Munich and there’s no chance of that financially.
    So by their own accounts it’s not worth shelling out on someone for the sake of it. Those are my thoughts
     
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    I know there needs to be a business decision and it's not simply a case of throwing money at it.

    Things won't change in the summer though. The board aren't going to change their mindset in 4 months.

    It's groundhog day on here and has been for most of my 13 years posting.
     
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    we needed jota and hes a good signing but if we now have to move maeda it totaly negates the improvement we made on the wings . what a crowd of useless *
     
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    We’re still on a good trajectory though mate, 13 years ago we had Wanyama, Hooper, all moving onto ‘bigger clubs’ but gradually we’ve done some great work behind the scenes to improve our stature and be a place where players want to stay. That’s arguable but it’s what I really believe is at least the aim. In my years of being a Celtic fan I’ve kind of seen us try everything, from Strachans signings, to Mowbrays and those days were pretty dull in comparison. I just think we are moving quite fast in terms of stature in Europe and I would half expect us not to get carried away, seems safer to continue at our own pace.
    Also, a side note and this might sound stupid but the fact the board has a reputation of being tight is something that I think they want to keep hold of as it gives them leverage when negotiating.
     
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    The notion that we won't beat Bayern regardless of who we sign is wild and smacks of just being happy to be a nod ahead of rangers again something i hoped we were getting away from after the summer window.

    Celtic should always want to be the best version of Celtic possible and not be looking across the city or at any European opponents. We're essentially hoping to coast to the summer window
     
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    Agreed, but there has to be a sound strategy in order to see long term improvement.
    Can’t just sign the best option when we lose our no1 striker else we end up with more deadwood, spent wages and lost opportunity in the summer. I want us to be careful about who we sign because the right ones are out there.
     
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    I agree but the point is that we have apparently known for months Kyogo wanted to leave so it gave us enough time to get a deal in place with someone if even on loan but we let Kyogo go then looked to open talks with our apparent number 1 target in Kvistgaarden and we're priced out of a move. A 6 month loan which the manager himself mentioned would have suggested we perhaps couldn't get our targets in but will look at it again the summer but as it stands if Idah gets injured we're scrambling
     
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    Hopefully people won't take the absolute * rumours or gossip from people supposedly being "in the know" now. Nobody on any fan forum or journalist etc know what's happening re transfers as even our own board don't have a clue what's happening. That's why I wait until I see any new signing holding a Celtic scarf above his head in Parkhead and we read about it on the "welcome to Celtic" topic
     
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    OK, it seems I misundeestood. If not what I said above, then I genuinely don't know what the risk is that you were referring to. What risk? Genuine question.

    As for planning for the future, I think we saw plenty of that. Getting a good fee for an aging striker, setting up Palma for hopefully another decent fee in the summer and a serious attempt to sign a young Danish striker for the future.
     
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    You can make up all sorts of injury scenarios that would put us in a crisis though.
     
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