WE SHOULD HAVE GOT BROWN

Anyone??? Careful what you wish for.

 

The two Craigs for me, Levien would have been an awesome appointment, short sighted from board, Brown would have got results the same.

All that matters is the 3 points, anyone who thinks different deserves all they get!

 

Correct doc, the big man would watch 2 potential signings, 1 catholic and 1 prod. He'd sign the prod straight away knowing fine well the huns had an anti-catholic policy, leaving him to Jock also, shrewd or what? We'll never see this grade of level-headedness again unfortunately.

 

yer a laugh , I'll give you that..

 

Dont see much of a parallel with WGS. He brought the squad average age right down from about 30 to mid 20s during his time. Mogga inherited quite a youngish side from WGS. It was MON who left a side full of players going over the hill not WGS.

As for hun I dont know. It means different things to different people. To a lot of people it doesnt just mean a Rangers fan. It is often used in a way with a bit more venom than you would expect if it was just about choice of football team. Some people use terms like Ayshire huns for Killie r Edinburgh huns for Hearts etc so it definately can mean more. Some really idiotic people call everyone who does not have the same views a hun. I dont mind it too much but I chose to avoid it myself. I quite like the term Jaffas:icon_mrgreen:

 

How? He was the last man to get us to a world cup and to the Euro championships in the later 90s. Got to admit he is a bit grim old * and its hard to like him. I am not that serious about Brown himself but he is the type we need - a guy who can make a group of players into a tight unit. You do that first then add the flair. Mogga is doing it the wrong way round. Do it the wrong way round and its normally a bit of a disaster.

 

Brown managed that with guys like Burley , Lambert , Collins and Tommy Boyd in the team.. You mentioned ordinary players but 3 of those were in our team that stopped the 10 and Collins was no doubt Scotlands best and most experienced player at the time..
It's not untill guys like Strachan and Brown or any manager has actually left a club before you can really see just how good a job they've done or what the next guy has to work with.. If you look through Brown's era as Scotland boss there was a whole generation of players overlooked who never even got 15 or 20 caps , and during his last few years when he'd bled the system dry of playing ageing guys that he'd been relying upon , he never had any players progressing through the Scottish ranks that were ready to slot in... Some other countries do the same but it's a "go with what I know and * the future" attitude and the knock-on effect is instability for the following guy..

 

Here is the deal mate. You can either agree with me or disagree. That is your prerogative, either way I will state my case.

Mowbray is a high risk taker. When he spouted yesterday about '' We will have to get used to being on a rollercoaster with him, and that we would win some but lose some, but that it would be exciting all the way '', it was a fascinating insight into the man's mentality and raison de tre'. Mowbray does not know the meaning of the word CAUTION, and he will throw CAUTION to the wind in his high priest's ideal of adventurous football, no matter the cost.That won't win him SPL titles against a crafty seasoned Ranger's manager or even win him games in Europe against similar adaptible and flexible managers.

Mowbray is a sychophant of one way football. He can't and won't change it, even in the face of overwhelming odds. He did the same in England and got West Brom relegated with his religious pursuit of his rigid ideals.
He will do the same here if we don't jettison him soon. How bad does it need to get before some of you guys wake up. Do we have to finish in third place before you see he is way out of his depth in this job.
The guy who eventually comes in to pick up the pieces that Mowbray has left behind is going to have one helluva job imo.

 

Not read through the whole thread, but Craig Brown is a greatly respected coach & is doing brilliant at Motherwell.

He has brought through a lot of young players, so to say he'd raise the age of our team to the 30's is unfair. I really like him as a person, as I do Mowbray - but that has little to do with football fans giving managers time in the job.

What he is though, is a pragmatist - he's used to not being able to spend money, so he works with what he's got & tries to get the best out of that.

I now see that Mowbray has really always looked to buy success, granted on very little funds - but buy it on the cheap never-the-less...such as Ivan Sproule, Graham Dorrins.

 

Instead of stating WBA which is one success and one failure.. And ignoring Hibs which was reasonable success.. Let's just focus on what he does with Celtic and nobody can deny he's made an * of it so far..

Would it be unreasonable to give him a run of 15 games with a fully assembled squad for the start of next season.. Defenders he'll start the campaign with that he has signed and playing the way he ask them to.. Likewise midfield and attack.. Can we agree that would be fair and if by that time that there's no signs of progress I'll be in the Mowbray OUT camp..

 

Well said

 

But managers like him will always have some success working with what they are given.. Jim Jefferies is another who always seems to have a decent spell at clubs before fans become kind of zombie like from watching them dish up one paced turgid mediocrity..

Jim Gannon assembled the Motherwell team and it was based on youth and fitness.. They had no other way to go because they were skint and sold their only 3 or 4 players they could get money for.. Brown hasn't been in that job long enough to judge him fairly but obviously it looks favourable at the moment , but if he got the Scotland job tomorrow I wouldn't be surprised to see him take a core of 28 to 32 year olds and use those very same players through a World Cup and European Championship qualifying campaign without having the bottle to play guys who have outgrown the under 21's , are perfromning for their clubs but just aren't getting a lookin at International level.. He did it before with the likes of Eoin Jess , David Robertson , Charlie Miller , Phil O Donnel etc.. Not a golden era of players but nevertheless guys that were ready to step in..

 

I see the flaw in your plan

See above to what I just said.

 

Well if you talk about refs you get people saying we shouldn't be talking about that and if you talk about mowbray you get people telling you not to talk about that, it really dose make you wonder what the point in this forum is.

 

And I will ask again.. Would it be fair to allow him 15 games into next season with a team fully assembled by him playing the way he wants them to play ?

 

You can ask as many times as you want.
Time is precious and Mowbray has wasted all our precious time this year. Yet you would suggest we risk more of our precious time with a high risk taker again next year.

 

We are in a risk taking business whichever way we do it.. Football fans are so fickle that they choose managers based on who's flavour of the week or because someone wears an earing and looks cool smoking at the side of the pitch but hasn't ever bought a player in his managerial career..
Roy Hodgson for instance get's mentioned as a safe bet , but what if he took the job and 9 months down the line he's not making us win , do we drag up his time at Blackburn when he was sacked before imminent relegation and use that to force him out , or for all of us "told you so's" to say he should never have gotten the job in the first place..
There is no guarantee for success whatever the club does , just like there's no guarantee that a bad performance and result one week means the same will happen the next week or apply it from one half of a season to the next... I don't mind defending TM when people come across as though they know what the future holds and it's only going to get bleaker because TM is the one guy in the middle of the situation who doesn't seem to give a flying one , one way or the other and ultimately that might well be the reason why he succeeds or doesn't..

 

It would probably be fair but it would be an act of faith. Without a crystal ball you just have to go on what you have seen to date and balance that against the likelihood of him arsing up next season too. Almost everything I have seen about him is bad. His core philiosphy (which he often states) is all wrong, obsessing about style etc. Right now there is not a single glimmer that he is going in the right direction and we are 13 points behind. No progress and the worst record since the 90s...there is only one conclusion that the facts present. Anything more positive is an act of faith based on no evidence. I think that officially makes Markybhoys view of TM a religion:icon_mrgreen:.

 

craig brown!? seriously? as has been pointed out him being a rangers man is not a problem (two words: jock stein) but i just dont think hes a good football manager although he is doing a good job at motherwell i admit; but motherwell is not celtic!

 

All we know for sure about Mogga is that the team is a total shambles and doesnt win. He has dragged us to a deficit of the sort rarely seen in the last 15 years. He is the first Celtic manager not to at least take the league to the last day in the last 10 years. In short its truly catestrophic. That is all we have to go on. Everything else in mystic meg stuff. What evidence we have points to it being a huge gamble to give him another season. Compare him to Tommy Burns. He improved out team every year over several seasons. There was a pattern there of a guy slowly hawling us up from terrible position. Mogga has given us no sign he is taking us in the right direction.