Wait, how do these 'IRA' songs damage our club?

Totally agree, I cant believe the hypocricy of some people, moan like * when the huns sing their secretarian songs and blow their flutes but think its fine for us to sing about the IRA.

 

Supporting paramilitaries in Ireland was irrevant to equality issues in Scotland. In fact even in northern Ireland, the sovereigty issue was never the same as the equality issue. You can have equality under any flag. Far too often people confuse these two issues.

 

The comparison between the Irish and American Blacks is laughable, to whoever mentioned Barack Obama. They each wanted something totally different (equality vs. land) and went about it in very different ways (civil disobedience vs. violence/terrorism/whatever euphamism or passionate words you can come up with).

Blacks felt American under American oppressors more than any Irish ever felt British under British oppressors... so there was never any need for Blacks to create an institution such as Celtic to show their nationalism.

 

I am a Scottish, Protestant Celtc fan. The Irish connection means nothing to me.

I support Celtic because of the way they play Football, and the ethos that is printed on the back of the strip.

"Its not the creed or the colour, but the man himself"

 

^

 

If you are insinuating that the American Blacks were anywhere near as violent as the Irish then you need to take off those green tinted spectacles. I'm not saying that either were all to one side, but that doesn't mean that they were the same... not even close.

 

Fionn MacCool for me is a joke personality , just daft and non interesting points ,she is on the wrong forum i think

 

Im not insinuating anything, i mean what i said and you can take it at face value. No need for the cheek. I have not said they were the same and dont believe them to be the same, was merely correcting what i believe to be an overly polarised post by your good self.

 

Fair enough, I misunderstood your post. Thanks for the clarification.

 

i personally think that singing ira songs r not sectarian songs, they are political songs,although i do think the singing of them at games is wrong. I also have to admit that i do engage in singing them at pubs and bars etc...we know we are not allowed to sing them at games, so shouldn't sing them,. We have plenty of other songs to sing, and should continue to sing these. Our friends across the city have very little songs left to sing, we should be above them and show who r the real people!

Hail Hail

 

No one is asking that songs with any connection to Ireland should be stopped, just those about the IRA. Quite what the IRA have to do with us playing in Inverness on a Tuesday night (or whenever) is beyond me.

 

Old fashioned out of date biogated ideas

 

The one thing I think is strange about this, is that in America you can sing or say whatever you want. There was a Neo-* march a couple of years ago through one of the most Jewish neighborhoods in the country. It isn't because they agree with them, but it avoids the situation we are in now... just where do you draw the line?

 

Michael Davitt was a member of the IRB, a republican and nationalist. He was asked to lay the centre-turf at Celtic Park at the time of the football club's inauguration in 1888.

Celtic have always had a strong connection to Irish politics. People say they have no place at CP but they have always been there.

 

blacks in the us and immigrant irish in scotland? there are more similarities than differences . two populations forcably displaced and used to fuel a society where they were considered fodder.what annoyed the dominators so much is that these people could rally and give birth to a football team who would surpass anything they could achieve on the field of popular sport.jesse owen upset america as jimmy upset the british.wake up guys and girls. the most important thing you will ever do is follow celtic.I welcome our scottish protestant friend who posted.you are a class act.

 

Jesse Owens upset the Americans? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

 

one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter

 

Today...20th September 2008, should we even be having this debate?

No.

Why?

Reason 1. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/mar/25/newsstory.rangers
Reason 2. Uefa to investigate sectarian chants by Celtic fans | Scotland - Times Online
Reason 3. BBC SPORT | Football | Scottish Premier | Clubs warned over chants

If those reasons aren't enough then I'm afraid to say, but you support Celtic for all the wrong reasons.

If you want to sing these songs, go ahead, but don't come crying here when you've been thrown behind bars for the night and banned from CP.

Nobody on here knows my upbringing, but let's just say, when my family found out I supported Celtic, they weren't exactly pleased about it. I was born in Scotland and live in Scotland so as far as I was concerned, their reasons for not wanting me to support Celtic were null and void.

These songs have no place in society according to the government and rules under which we live. If you have a problem with that, go take it up with the government.

I actually like the songs and sing most of them, *, I've learned most of them on my guitar, but do I sing them at football games? No. They have nothing to do with football. Regardless of history, this is Celtic Football Club. FOOTBALL CLUB. That should pretty much sum it up. If it doesn't, have a serious think about it, then take your songs elsewhere, they're not wanted nor needed by the club.

Singing songs about the IRA doesn't do anyone any favours in this day an age. That's the simple fact of all of this. If you can't accept that then I suggest you stop attending games and bringing the clubs reputation in question.

 

Fionn MacCools a fella

 

Yes we will, in another election . That being out of the way I like Celtic because of the foundation of the club, what they are trying to achieve, and frankly, I can identify with them in spite of having an ocean seperating myself from CP; no one in my family was a Celtic fan prior to myself. The IRA stuff should not be brought to the grounds of Celtic Football Club (like just about everybody else has said), and anyone else who makes the argument otherwise, well I can't help you there.

Finally a simple question, why do I see tifo banners of Che Guevara at CP? Last I checked wasn't he a communist, and knowing that Celtic does have Catholic roots, communism has been condemned by the Church (the club should still be welcome to all, hail hail to the non-Catholics!), so therefore in my mind there is some conflict of interest. Just something rubs me the wrong way about having his image associated with Celtic; doesn't seem fit. If I'm off my rocker, just let me know.