[Link] Victor Wanyama

Must be pretty * then to be brutally honest.

 

You're not about to pay £12m for Wanyama based on his 'domestic stats' they're irrelevant.

They've both had roughly the same number of games against good opposition. Schneiderlin has had one season in England - played against some good teams, Wanayama has had 2 years of European football, playing against some better teams.

Again, you're judging football teams on an individual player basis. The QPR team of last year are full of big names, it doesn't change the fact they were terribly run and could barely string a few passes together while making schoolboy errors at the back. Let's not pretend a league where Titus Bramble has made a career, and Charlie Adam has been one of the best players in a season is brimming with quality.

If you can kindly prove the bold, that would be great. By way of playing in the CL, Wanayma is actually playing at the higher level.

 

I thought we weren't judging players on the quality of league they play in?

He was 18 when he came, a few had doubts but he's grown into our outstanding player and he was absolutely phenomenal this season. If we're going to get into Europe he's one of the current crop that will be there, and be good enough.

 

I see..

 

Celtic fans will say Wanyama is better... Southampton fans will say Schneiderlin is better. Seems fairly obvious to me.





























Wanyama is better by the way :icon_mrgreen:

 

As I said, all 19 teams Schneiderlin faced in the EPL were better than all of the 11 SPL teams Wanyama faced. Yet Schneiderlin comes out on top in the European top leagues (Spain, Germany, Italy, France, England) for tackles and interceptions. Scored 5 Premier League goals as a defensive midfielder and also covered more ground than any other Premier League player.

Yes, Wanyama is good and played well in a handful of European games, but Schneiderlin has proved he is good against more teams at a higher level in domestic football and come out top in Europe for defensive midfielders.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

 

From what I've seen of Schneiderlin he's purely a destroyer type. Good player, good heart. Hasn't got the same kind of power, pace, strength or explosiveness that Wanyama has to be able to step it up a level though.

People are talking about Wanyama for his purely defensive abilities here. He was one of our biggest threats in Europe on the ball this season.

 

I'd agree that Schneiderlin's a step behind Wanyama in terms of attacking threat, but he does pretty well.

 

5 Premier League goals for a defensive midfielder in a newly promoted team suggests Schneidelrin is more than just a "destroyer type". He is technically very good on the ball, eye for a pass and is now more of a goal threat than he was.

 

Still pretty *.

 

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You basically just posted the exam same post as before.

A DM for Southampton makes more tackles than a DM for Man City, Man Utd, Spurs and Arsenal. Who'd have thought it??

Again, they have played roughly the same number of games against top opposition, Schneiderlin probably a few more, Wanyama at a slightly higher level.

Some of those 19 teams are absolute dogshit. I don't believe that a team that won 4 games last year would've had an easy time finishing second in Scotland last year.

 

Dont hold your breath with regards to getting into Europe ,anyway if he is away for as little as 12.5m its a certainty there will be a percentage of any sell on ,which id rxpect to see within at the most 2 years and i rekon the big fella k.ows he wont be playibg for a wee team for long .

 

Schneiderlin is a great player, always rated him but Wanyama is better than him would be a good holding midfield for Ramirez to go forward in all honesty

 

5 goals sounds pretty * to me to be honest mate but each to their own. You know nobody is ever going to agree with you on this forum about it and if Big Vic ever goes to you I expect you won't either. I'm not saying he's not a good player; just that Wanyama is better and he has proven it at a higher level. Which the Champions League is (unless you are one of those Andy Gray types who thinks the EPL is the be all and end all.)







Anyway, Wanyama could beat him in a square go.

 

There is no doubting Shneiderlin's stats, and for me watching the EPL last season he really stood out in any southampton game I seen live. If he can continue that sort of form and consistency then there is no doubt he could move on to bigger and better things.

However your argument that because he has played better teams domestically means he is outperforming wanyama, in fact the teams that shneiderlin has came up against are teams that dominate games therefore meaning that his team is defending more giving more opportunity for interceptions/tackles and such. Thats not to say that he hasnt done what hes supposed to better than most, but you are more likely to be comparing this to other teams who have to defend and hold out and dont maintain the lions share of possession in games.

In the SPL celtic have a huge percentage of possession in most games, decreasing wanyama's opportunity for interceptions/tackles so its a very unfair comparison.

I think both have so much potential, both have shown they are already able to do their job at a very high level, but for me Wanyama is the best defensive midfielder I have seen since patrick viera dominated the premiership and led france to the world cup. He is still learning yes, still does make poor decisions on occasion, but at 21 I really dont think many of the past world class defensive midfielders were doing what wanyama does on a regular basis.

I would love for him to stay but it wont matter who he goes to because I can only see him getting better and better as he matures

 

You know; if he had the best stats for a defensive midfielder in Europe; do you think he is better than Busquets, Martinez and co?

 

I truly hope we get him.Its players of this caliber that could see us push up to the next level. We have good foundation in place of quality young players,with a few more quality signings who knows what might happen. Wanyama and Spiderman in the middle could be colossal.
Its great we're being linked with these next level players.£12+ seems like a good price to me.
One thing i do have faith in is our chairman. The Don just keeps on delivering on his promises .He's a ruthless * but he's ours and he does seem to get the job done ala Adkins out Poch in.
We have wealthy backers who seem to be putting their money where his mouth is.We will need to use that money to attract these next level players,with no European football on offer that only really leaves a big fat wedge of cash and Premiere league football.
Great infrastructure for a club our size, after the dark dark days of Lowe and Co things are most definitely looking up for us.
And whilst we only just finished a few points off the relegation spots,we're just as close to a top ten finish.that after the worst start in Premiere League history(and survive)

 

Do you think Motherwell have a better squad than QPR, Wigan and Reading?

I know Celtic fans don't rate the EPL, but 20th placed QPR have a better squad than 2nd placed Motherwell and so would a number of Championship sides.

I'm not saying QPR, Reading, Wigan (and many other English clubs) are better than Celtic. Of course they aren't, but they are better than any side you faced in the SPL last season and will face for a long time until Newco turn up.

 

Must be pretty depressing knowing your club are crying about signing a playe from the puny SPL then.

 

I think QPR had one of the best squads in the EPL up to about 8th last season. They were a * horrendous team though. Reading and Wigan would've done all right, theoretically. I don't think Wigan could hack it up here though, I certainly know Shaun Maloney's hamstrings couldn't

Different leagues, different challenges mate. Quality is quite * up here but it is far better than people in England give it credit for. There are many failures up here who are quite good in England. The likes of Robert Snodgrass and Graham Dorrans couldn't even get in an SPL team when they were up here, Wes Hoolahan was a token player, Charlie Adam was a laughing stock, Danny Fox's tattoo's were alright, Jos Hooiveld was a decent commentator, Gary Caldwell was a scary, scary, scary * to have in your team....

Stan, Larsson and Boruc were hero's amongst men though, as they were down the Premiership. Even when Henke was 36 and way beyond past what he once was.