[Link] Victor Wanyama

Heard it all too many times.

Every time one of our players is linked with a BPL team, or even a championship side for that matter, we have a few renegade fans here talking up the ambitions of there club.

Southampton, Villa, Sunderland, even * Hull!

All that ever gets said is,

"yeh we're not as good/as big as you now, but in 5 years time.........our owner has plans to build a new stadium/establish the best scouting network in the world/challenge for a CL place. You've heard it all before? But only from diddy clubs, WE'RE different!"

The strange thing is by the law of averages eventually one of them will be correct but in general, people over-estimate how much players care about any potential 5-10 year plan. It's all about the hear and now.

 

Not a great example. Wolves fanbase isn't as large as Southampton's, their owners haven't invested much into the first team, nor do they have the resources and their academy isn't as good as Southampton's.

 

Southampton would be a decent move for him to show his talents in the EPL and then subsequently get a move to one of the top clubs if he succeeds, happy enough with 10m since for us its alot of dosh but at the same time i wish we were in the position to hold out for more.

 

+1

My guess is that Wanyama will hold out for something bigger.

 

wonder if that southampton fan will show his face again

 

I hope he's greetin' into his ready brek when Southampton get relegated :bbpd:

 

And Southampton's owners have put their money where their mouth is. Since the Liebherr trust took over the club have risen from the bottom of League 1 on -10 points in 2009 to the Premier League in 2012.

Even if you look at the stadium expansion as a pipe dream the training ground is nearly finished and the academy is one of the best in the UK. So perhaps Southampton are one of those anomalies you mention might exist.

Last season as a newly promoted club nearly £40m was spent, this summer one player signed already for €12m and linked with lots of other big names.

 

i know mate ...they post a few virtual mock ups of a generic "ten a penny" 40,000 seater stadium( all look the same, ) and talk about infastructure and how ambitious the board is...you dont become a big club overnight..

BPL diddy teams like southampton think that being in the EPL in 2013 makes you a big club ...it doesnt.

celtic, benfica, psv, ajax, porto, sporting lisbon, fenerbache... despite not playing in the "best" league are still huge european clubs bigger than 90% of the EPL.... one promotion from the championship doesnt make you a great club ....it takes decades of european history and success

 

Not sure this would be a great move for Vic. Decent side obviously trying to play decent football but the top of the epl is a closed shop. Southampton's owners may be rich but they are not in the Man City or Chelsea bracket where they are completely insulated from the laws of economics. Sides that have spent a bit and looked to break in to the magic circle have rarely succeeded. Look at where Villa are now - total rebuild job. Everton and Spurs do pretty well to be there or thereabouts every year, but even when they do get in to the CL once in a while it's only one season and back to business as usual.
I just think that the epl's become an oligarchy and outside the top 5, teams are competing essentially for the cups and to stay in the epl.
If Wanyama goes to a team outside champions league contenders he'd be better off doing so in Italy or Spain or maybe Germany. He's more likely to end up at a champions league epl club that way.

 

True dat.

 

Are you officially our feeder club when we sign Hooper and Wanyama to warm our bench?

 

Are you officially a sad wee man who comes on other fans forums for his jollies?

 

How what's Happenen at Southampton ?

 

At no point have I said Southampton are bigger than Celtic. That would be daft.

What I will say is Celtic can't compete with Southampton in the transfer market, in terms of both attraction, size of transfer fees and wages.

Before you jump on that last point, consider how Southampton were able to spend close to £40m last season and already spent €12m this summer and likely to spend a lot more.

That isn't solely down to EPL money as other English Premier League clubs won't match Southampton's spending either. Everton for example would struggle to get remotely close to Southampton's net spend and I can see Southampton overtaking them in the coming years.

Can you foresee Celtic in the near future ever signing a player for £12m? Or spending £40m on transfers in a season?

 

Thats not helpful or adding to the debate. Play nice.

 

I love it when the nieve English PL fans come in here. :smiley-laughing002:

 

Can you foresee it actually mattering. What you're effectively saying is that despite despite outspending us 10x over, we're still better. Yet you hold it up as sum sort of achievement that you have money to * away on assembling a mediocre team.

 

I doubt Southampton can fill a 40k stadium, they've pretty much met their market cap as has every other team in the UK domestically. There is no room to expand at home. Glasgow is a much bigger place than Southampton and both Glasgow teams have large catchment areas whereas Southampton is fairly niche.

Overseas is where the money is at, but even at that I would say outside 3 or 4 clubs in England, the EPL popularity is grossly over estimated. I can't see any room for Southampton to grow there either. Manchester United or Liverpool decide to take the huff and start to sell their rights separately, it would leave a lot of teams in England vulnerable. Manchester United appear to be making slight moves to this rights model with developments in Myanmar and Norway.

No team in the UK can grow domestically, they've been around for 100 years now they aren't going to start attracting new fans now.