Tony Mowbray [threads merged]

1,. Agree. Yes true they are younger......but that's down to signings and team picking. Still hardly teenagers are they. If TM had done his job right he would have signed experienced CB's from day dot instead of chasing strikers.


Im sorry mate but when mowbray started he could hardly say to his captain and player of the year gtf. The board obviously told him to take a look to see what he had at his disposal, and after a couple of months he could see what we have been putting up with so Jan was the time to do business we are just unfortunate that 2 of the deals never happend and big hooiveld is injured.
Also Strachan did let Big bobo go maybe he would have even done a job the now.

 

You really spun that. Mogga inherited Artur, Zaluska, Hinkel, Caldwell, Robson, Broony, McGeady, Maloney, Skppy etc as well as useful fringe men like McGinn, McCourt. That was a solid core of a really decent side for the next 5 or 6 years, all previous title winners and with CL experience. That is at least 7 players who had been major parts of at least one of our CL last 16 runs. All were full internationals and the average age of them was about 25.

Mogga just needed a CB, LB and another normal striker. Mogga somehow has contrived to make that very complicated and tried to change far more of the team than was needed because he is a clueless numpty who thinks about football style above the practicalities of winning the SPL. Unfortunately Rangers have a proper manager who can get loads out of his weak squad because he is tactically clever.

As for what WGS carried over into his first 11, Lenny and Hartson had one good season left in them in the game and WGS knew that. Stan had to be sold barely a year later. So, after one season all WGS had left of MON's side was Bobo and I think its very likely that the order to freeze him out came from above WGS's head. Not much to build on there. Note too that the WGS team that got to the last 16 run twice was HIS team. Bobo was an outcast except in emergencies. Lenny, the last of the MON players still considered for selection, played in the first last 16 run but not the 2nd. WGS made 7 changes to MON first 11 in his first season, only keeping 4 of MON's normal starters in his first 11. MON (who had a much larger and better base of 6 players to build on than WGS- Jackie, Lambo, Henke, Stan, lubo, Mjallby) also added about 6 or 7 players to his first 11 in his first year-Agathe, Bobo, Valgaeran, Lenny, Thommo Sutton, Hartson.

So what Mogga has faced trying to bring in 6 or 7 new players into the first 11 is something the previous managers have had to face and coped with far better. MON had half of a really decent side but the MON element in WGS's team only ever was 4 players and that was down to 1 within a year. So WGS had nothing to build on. The only young MON player insisted on a transfer. Mogga in terms of what he has to build on falls between WGS's bad hand of mainly finished players and MON's excellent hand of inherited players. Mogga inherited 7 players who although not world beaters have won loads and just needed their weak links at CB, LB and CF sorted and they could have walked the SPL for the next 5 or 6 years. Why has Mogga done so much more than he needed to do to win the SPL? Because for Mogga its all about his ideals etc.

 

Gunt mate, I normally agree with a lot of your posts, your a very level headed individual.
But to call TM a clueless numpty halfway through his first season is a bit harsh. Even by your standards.
We can compare gaffers all day long but it's the here & now that counts, we are not in a ideal position granted, but you must be seeing the same improvement in the teams ability to pass from the back right through the team & create chance after chance.
Strachan did have that winning luck, but his team was dire & in the cold light of day against good opposition, were shown up for the players they were.

I enjoyed MON's & WGS and if we can just let TM take his coat aff I'm sure he can build us a team capable of winning the spl & worthy enough to have a crack at europe.

 

Good points all round on both poles of this debate,but if our continued support means Mowbray gets the next bite of a transfer budget in the summer,any continuance of this mediocrity would possibly hand the Huns 3 in a row. With what we now know about the Scottish co-efficient,allowing anti-football Rangers to be the sole representative could be an utter disaster for any hopes we can have on a European front.He HAS to get it right between now and the end of this season,at least give them a fright in the league to some degree or our need for a new man,in MAY not August,is going to be desperately apparent.

HH

 

i said at the start of the season mogga would do well for us and i still believe he will..

ok he hasnt had the best of starts to his managerial career for celtic but look at alex ferguson he was near to getting the sack at the beginning of his manchester united career and look what he has done for them.. im not comparing mogga to ferguson but i still think he needs more time to get his own team clicking and playing the way he wants and then i believe we will see plenty of success..

he was left with strachans deadwood for the beginning of the season and thats why we done so poorly for the first half of the season, now he has brought in some players of his own in the january transfer window and use can see already that he has got a real eye for talent and has brought in some very good players its just a matter of getting this team to gel together, yes we needed the defence sorted out and still do but he tried to get defenders in january but it just didnt happen, give him the summer window and he will bring in a good defender to partner hoovield who i think will be a cracking player for us and a potential captain..

i may be proven wrong but i like big mowbray and i honestly believe he will deliver success for us.. heres hoping i am right and we get through this miserable spell and then see plenty of fortune under tony.. HAIL HAIL..

 

Great post, He deserves to be there until atleast next December. I like what Ive seen so far and all we are missing is a couple of center backs. The Thing is Mowbray knows this and is actively doing something about it it would be different if he was being strachanesque and praising his defence and saying that no change is needed.

 

Spot on

 

exactly what I think.

I love how straight talking he is, unlike bumbling Strachan....