time for mowbray to go? [Threads Merged]

1st things 1st ok! cut out the name calling * ok?

what have steve bruce and laurent blanc done in management that would be a lot better at celtic? or is this another idiotic and stupid post?

 

exactly!!

 

To say the players aren't trying is absolute nonsense. They are trying, they just have ZERO confidence!!

When Mogga said 'These players aren't good enough' (In a nutshell), it knocked they're confidence big-time.

The ONLY players I would say I have been fully happy with this season are Hinkel and Zaluska.

 

The 'it will all be sorted in January' fantasy

This idea is bollicks. The club are likely to do the usual and maybe buy a couple of average players at the 2 million mark. The big picture is this:

1. Celtic have a very poor transfer market position and the quality will not massively improve. Mowbray's signings to date are not a great improvement on what they replaced. That is likely to be the pattern for a as long as the SKY/EPL factor is there.

2. Therefore, the most important attribute of a Celtic manager is going to be to get the most out of players of modest ability and the ability to make them punch way above their weight.

3. That IMO is not Mogga's thing. He is way too interested in being a philospher for free flowing football. Our resources will mean we will not have the personell to do that. Wrong manager IMO.

Do not think suddenly Mowbray will be able to spend us into a much higher standard. The board have had the option for years to fund more proven managers than Mowbray but have never gone down the road of big spending. If they were not going to do it for WGS after 3 in a row and two last 16s why should they do it for a guy whose career peak is relegating West Brom?

What I am saying is that the players may change but the standard wont rise much. So its what a manager gets out of the players of that modest standard that matters. All ths signs are that Mowbray gets less out of many players than WGS did. Our biggest rivals have a manager who is a master of getting more out of the players than the sum of their parts. We should have made that the no. 1 attribute we looked for in a new manager but instead the board seem to have been caught up in the celtic way and celtic man thing that swept WGS away.

 

Are you being serious mate ?

Blanc has done very well in the French league and in the CL with Bordeuox ( if that's how ye spell it haha)
Bruce has also done a very good job with the teams he has been at such as Birmingham, Wigan and he looks to be doing well with Sunderland.

However it was a silly suggestion as they would never come to us.

 

Agreed. Mowbray is just using this as an excuse for every shocking performance/result to save himself. It's just NOT on.

Don't know why you've got the opposing manager of the team we played today as your DP though. Levein isn't the answer, he only looks good because Dundee Utd are solid against the Old Firm. Jimmy Calderwood finished above him the last 2 seasons fs.

 

I think we should cut our loses with Mowbray now, the guy aint got it for me. Job far too big for him.

If he stays we may win the league but only because the huns are * and it will only paper over the cracks.

 

I wouldn't mind Levein getting the job, but you have to wonder what the selection process entailed prior to Mowbray getting the job!

 

The 'it will all be sorted in January' fantasy
<HR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #34973d; COLOR: #34973d" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->This idea is bollicks. The club are likely to do the usual and maybe buy a couple of average players at the 2 million mark. The big picture is this:

1. Celtic have a very poor transfer market position and the quality will not massively improve. Mowbray's signings to date are not a great improvement on what they replaced. That is likely to be the pattern for a as long as the SKY/EPL factor is there.

2. Therefore, the most important attribute of a Celtic manager is going to be to get the most out of players of modest ability and the ability to make them punch way above their weight.

3. That IMO is not Mogga's thing. He is way too interested in being a philospher for free flowing football. Our resources will mean we will not have the personell to do that. Wrong manager IMO.

Do not think suddenly Mowbray will be able to spend us into a much higher standard. The board have had the option for years to fund more proven managers than Mowbray but have never gone down the road of big spending. If they were not going to do it for WGS after 3 in a row and two last 16s why should they do it for a guy whose career peak is relegating West Brom?

What I am saying is that the players may change but the standard wont rise much. So its what a manager gets out of the players of that modest standard that matters. All ths signs are that Mowbray gets less out of many players than WGS did. Our biggest rivals have a manager who is a master of getting more out of the players than the sum of their parts. We should have made that no. 1 attributed we looked for in a new manager but instead the board seem to have been caught up in the celtic way and celtic man thing that swept WGS away

Posted this here cause the thread was closed. I dont see why because that thread was about the january window fantasy which is a specific issue. Was a bit of a gunt to see it close after all that typing.

 

didnt even know that blanc was a manager lol1 well maybe then for him i suppose as bordeaux are playing well. but bruce ? just no for me. redknapp would be a shout though along with levein.

 

I think someone hit it on the head there the job seems to be too big for him. I was firmly behind him, and I hope he does it, but I can't stand behind him when the level of performance is this bad!

Might be coming close to time to go!

 

We are celtic, we should win every game in the spl, correct! Everytime results go against us we cry, sack the manager, thats bollocks! Give the guy a season, to prove us wrong, then throw him away!

 

see the funny thing? we always moan that there is no challenge in the spl? and yet if we lose we go nuts lol! i hate loseing but we cant grudge du their win! the form our team has atm is down and some players to me look disinterested.

 

A lot will depend now on if Rangers hit form. If so, they could easily still be 4 points ahead come the next OF game. If that happens Mowbray will definately go into that match playing for both the title and his job. We are so bad that we simply cannot afford for Rangers to hit a good run now because we could end up miles behind in a few weeks.

 

all he says is that he needs a few more transfer windows but doesn't seem to realise we have * all money.
that team has done well in previous seasons and all he can do is point the finger at them.
the sooner he goes, the better, as we'll have more time to claw the spl back which is already slipping away from us.

 

repeat post.

 

If i remember correctly Mogga is only on a 1 year contract so we might aswell stick it out until the end of the season instead of paying big compensations on him, Venus and Grant. I liked Mogga when we got him and stuck by him until today when it just became painfully obvious that he is just not a winner as many have said. I liked WGS but was glad when we got rid of him because the football was stale and crap and we didnt win the league. Now with Mogga i was happy becuase i thought we would be playing great, attacking football and winning games. We do neither. We might aswell have stuck with WGS because if we had him the last few weeks we would have grinded out results in some of the games we lost and drew. So il give him until the end of the season in the hope he can turn it around but even still it is looking like even if he does win the league, he just might not be the man for the job.

 

Why should we give him a season? Did we give Barnes a season? No, we sacked him when the results and performances were shocking, like now.

These are the Facts:

We're behind a skint thread-bare Rangers team who haven't signed player in almost 18 months, and they have a game in hand.

Dundee Utd are a win away from overtaking us.

He's signed so far, an absolute dud in Fortune, costing almost 4m, a huge sum for us.

We went EIGHT years in Europe at home and only lost to Barcelona, in 4 matches under Mowbray, we've already lost 3 games.

We're already out the Champions League (And went out without a fight) and look certain to be knocked out the Europa.

We were knocked out the only cup we won last season at home to a Hearts team who are shocking this season.



These are the same players that Strachan had, Caldwell got one of the player of the year awards last season and he's suddenly a terrible footballer? It's because the team has no confidence at all, I don't blame the players, I blame Mowbray.

 

I think the rolling contract works on a basis that there is always one year left no matter what time of the year so sacking him now costs the same as in Msy. I just have a very deep down feeling about Mogga that he is very much the wrong kind of manager for our needs in this economic climate and I think its almost inevitable he will not last. We needed a mega organised, hard headed, inspirational training ground manager who knows how to make limited players play as a team and with massive determination and who has the tactrical cleverness to make up for deficiencies. We also needed a manager who is results, not performances, orientated. Mogga really seems to be miles from those specifications. The mistake was the board lost sight of this and got swept along with the celtic way football style thing that fans were so keen on. A board should never bend to the fans because they are all heart and no head at times.

 

The people who are saying we should get Hiddink or Trappatoni in are totally deluded. Absolutely no chance.

I even saw one post on Kerrydale Street saying we should buy Huntelaar in January because he's not playing for AC, Jesus Christ.