time for mowbray to go? [Threads Merged]

I would have expected him to be able to guide us to more than 2 wins in 10 or 9 wins in 22. Our players may be poor but he should still be getting more out of them.

I wanted Mogga at the time and would have loved to have given him more time. However time is not on our/his side as we could potentially fall even further behind the huns which is something that we cannot afford to do as losing the league to that lot 2 seasons in a row would be inexcusable.

 

The team has been pish for the last 2-3 years. Mowbray hasn't made them a bad side, they've been gash for months on end with the odd spell in between.

Not the managers fault.

He was left * and it's still *, but what do you expect after 3 months? the League over? Be realistic.

 

Not true, every single player in our first 11 has proven that they can be the best in the SPL in that position. In some cases by far (wing, right-back, keeper, centre-mid). As David Moyes said the other night on MOTD, it's the managers job first and foremost to get the best out of whatever he's given. Has Mowbray done that (yet)? No.

Can he do that in time? Yes!

 

To be fair, the team has been mediocre at best for a while now.

And you're right Mogga has not gotten the best out of these players so far and he has shown nothing to suggest that he will do so given time.

 

Gee Mowbray a chance- this mabe an odd thing to say but ever since we got rid of Donati- we went on the slippery slope- was he holding things toghther better in tyhe middle of the park than we gave the guy credit for- Just an observation!
We ned to stay behind the team and don't turn into the Greeting Face Mob! NO HUNS IN EUROPE!

 

To be fair we we're lucky to win the leauge 2 years ago and we did'nt win the leauge last year

 

At least Strachan had these guys playing and winning games from 1-0 up. You can't say that is the problem when it is plain as the nose on your face it's Mowbrey tactics & the way he is asking his attakcers and players/team to play.

Looks awefully like the way he had his Hibs team playing. You cann see there rae problems there, McDonald isn't firing on all cylinders and i think there is a problem between manager & player. It must be a sickner when a guy like Fortune sometimes gets a game before you with this guys scoring record.

Something aint right there and i am all for giving the manager time etc but with the way Mowbrey has spent his cash so far and his choice of player is a very worried. We are behind the in the league to a very bad Rangers team. That aint right no matter which way you look at it.

 

That to me was a huge sign of weakness. Neither the board nor the managers should let things be driven by the fans. The perfect demonstration of why fans shouldnt be allowed to dictate things is the very idea that being a Celtic man was important. Many also never liked a manager even though he was basically the goose that laid the golden eggs for 4 years. Fans are the heart of a club not the head. I think the board went down the road they did because of fear of season ticket sales and they played the Celtic man/celtic way card. IMO the Celtic man/way thing has generally been a bit of a disaster, especially the idea of pretty Celtic way football. All the managers who have won the league in the last 30 years have been the ones who play pragmatic ways - MON, WGS, Wim and you can even extend that observation to Rangers who often won ugly against better Celtic teams over the last couple of decades. I just think the board lost sight of this. Mowbray is in the Burns/Barnes school of thought not the MON/WGS/Wim one.

 

i want him out now, n a new manager brought in for jan

 

He seems to have made the mistake of not waiting till he has the players in needed to play his way. Its a dangerous game and it will be touch and go if he has time to get the players in before the title is lost. In some ways I can sympathise but that is the problem all Celtic managers have and he would have been better off sticking to the normal WGS system and a stable lineup until he got more of the sort of players he needs in. Now he is in real danger of letting Rangers get too far ahead.

However, I am feeling a wee bit more positive today. It all depends on the results in the next month. If he can not fall further behind AND he doesnt lose the January OF game AND he gets the crucial top quality CBs and CFs in then he can still do it. If we come out of yet another window without at least one high quality CB and CF then he is doomed. I am fair enough to say that he should keep his job at least until its clear he is throwing away the league (if we fall more than 4 points behind for example). Problem he has is he is one slip more away from that if Rangers hit reasonable form.

 

im so sick of hearing about "its not mowbrays fault, the players are *" that is no excuse my friends. the manager is who makes the players, our team isnt much different than last year other than v of h and naka (which did nothing except dead balls)...sorry boys but mowbray just cant get his team ready for games.

and when you drop points to the worst team in the league somthings gotta give

 

You talk a lot of sense in this post but as you will have seen you are very much in the minority. I can't make my mind up on the debate, but I think I'm prepared to stick with him for this season, January will be a defining month for all of us.

 

I hope your kidding?

 

Naka was an important player for us, and not just for his free kicks, in case you never noticed, this same group of players failed to win the league last season.

I agree that Mowbray isn't getting the best out of the players he has at his disposal however he doesn't deserve to be sacked imo

 

utter *; naka may well have gone of the boil towards the end of his career at celtic but certainly did more than enough to win a place in the vast majority of celtic hearts and his class and creativity are sorely missed today

and havent you been watching the last 2 seasons? the players on the whole are *, give mogga time and i assure you there wont be many survivors from todays squad in say a year and a half.....if some fans have some * patience

 

For Gods sake give the man a chance, he's having to work with Strachan's duds. He'll win us the league once he gets another three or four of his own players in, new blood always freshens things up.

Get Caldwell and Mc Manus out the door and we'll be okay.

 

these rants about get him out hes pish are all from spoiled brat fans who hate not getting wot they want , agreed it aint the best start but when you ask a team to play footy from bak through mid to front that are not comfortable doing this you get probs, moggas plan should have been slowly evolved ,without all the * in the press [ we want to play like barca]football is a game were if it is not working then change it ,there is no 1 true way to play, the modern game means you have to be able to addapt quickly to wots getting flung at you. in brief if your not comfortable in possesion then the longer you try to hold the ball you will be caught and thats why we are loosing goals ,also possesion footy requires that you have some1 to split defences whitch we dont really have atm ,i think things are gonna get much better soon have faith.

 

Strachans " Duds " did not to badly to be honest. However, I totally agree how could anyone be expected to walk after a few months. What fickle rubbish / nonsense that would be.

One thing is for sure after the board spent a few million in getting the current management team in place, they will not be looking to spend the same again to get rid of them!

So as they say , pish with the * you've got for now, he deserves a season at least

 

I would disagree. He dozen't deserve anything. Mowbray has to earn it first. And so far he is doing a very bad job. We are in a results business and the results have been dire to date. 2 wins out of a possible 12. We are already trailing Rangers in the league, out of the CS Cup, and very likely Europe too.
His signings to date have failed to cut the mustard in my opinion, and in any other business he would have been fired already.

I think Mowbray is just one more defeat away from getting his P45.