The Ronny Deila Thread

So, Legia Warsaw, Maribor, Malmo who we vastly outspend, the reason we couldn't beat them is because we didn't vastly outspend them a wee bit more?

Sorry, I don't get that point at all. Could understand it going into the Champions League proper but it's not spending enough money that doesn't get us by the the likes of those.

We already outspend them on transfer fees, wages, facilities, management... on every level. We shouldn't be consistently failing.

 

I personally think it would be perfectly possible to get in a manager who would have got is through that on Tuesday. It wouldn't have taken a top manager to do it, it was Hareide that outfoxed Ronny, not José * Mourinho.

In that respect, I think we could do better than Ronny. But I think Ronny is the right guy for the job because I believe in what he's doing here. We know his record in Norway and I've seen enough signs in this last year top still believe he can achieve something equivalent here given time.

I'm still on the Ronny bus.

But I'm not * happy about Tuesday and I do blame the management team. I think our preparation was not effective and I want to know what Ronny's going to do to ensure that it doesn't happen again. I also want to know exactly how much input Kennedy has on our tactics, especially defending corners.

 

I disagree. He was just as bad on the ball but he was his usual nuisance self buzzing around the pitch making things difficult for them, like Rosenberg for Malmö.

 

I disagree. He was just as bad on the ball ansonsten Qarabag but he was his usual nuisance self, buzzing around the pitch making things difficult for them, like Rosenberg for Malmö. On Tuesday, he was anonymous. When does that ever happen?

 

The way we do transfers the last few years is common knowledge. The penny pinching of our board is also known.

I'm saying these players would have been low down on a long list of names, skipping out probably all of the managers preferred targets who would have been more capable at this level and to have hit the ground running.

 

We're not consistently failing, we've only failed twice. And as bad as Tuesday match was, we still put in a much better performance than last year. We'll do better next year.

 

We failed against Legia as well mate.

I don't think it was much better than last year, it was he exact same against Maribor. Could have killed it in first leg, didn't, 2nd leg didn't know to twist or stick, looked nervous and shaky, got pumped out.

That's the exact same description for both ties. A year apart.

 

As I say,the perceived smaller teams will always have that cup day chance against a perceived bigger team.
Their youth setups and player pool is also a factor in to their transfer spend.

But if you want to be sure of winning these games, you need to have the quality in place to overcome bad days, good opponents and the random cup game factor.

 

I disagree he was worse the other night. I was desperate for him to get taken off in the home game against Qarabag. Bitton bailed him out that night.

 

Or else they've just managed to assemble a good team while we're spunking money on nobodies.

 

We also need to remember that we are going through 3 two legged ties to get to this point, it's asking a lot of us to get through it all.

Look at the Huns last season in play off, 3 rounds, looked good the first two, then failed at the 3rd, even though they have outspent and are a perceived bigger club.

 

Sound quite similar to Lennon's time here, after the same length of time.

 

Exactly.
Spinning the little money we are willing to spend on 3 attacking options in pukki. Derk and balde instead of one key striker for the combined price.

Cheap options and hope they come good for a sell on.

It's not about outspending net money, it's about spending it right.

You want to sign a goal scorer who will win you matches in Europe? Don't shop in the 1.5 million market for 2 or 3 players, instead sign one for 4million

 

Common knowledge doesn't cut it I'm afraid. There's enough on this forum already that is taken as fact when it is actually unsubstantiated nonsense.

No doubt in my mind Deila okayed both signings. Did he have other targets he would have preferred? Maybe. Every manager would face the same situation at all but a small handful of clubs.

 

Exactly but Van Dijk, Bitton, Johansen and Griffiths were also bought that year. So I say we're getting it pretty right, it's just managing what you have to perform.

I'd be more inclined to say shop in the bosman market and hand big wages out though.

 

Arguably our best players right now as well, but they are arguably our only players of a standard good enough to play. Who replaces virgil if he is out? Griffiths or bitton?

I'd agree with the Bosman idea as well.
Sign the likes of the above, but then also go sign experienced guys who are just out of contract. I'm sure we could have picked 3 or 4 strikers from a bosman list this season, paid a handsome wage and got better quality then ciftci, and griffiths. (For record I rate griff, not advocating to get shot of him)

 

We can't be accused of penny pinching if you're then saying we should have spent the same amount of money, but instead spent it on one player. That's the same net outlay.

I do agree it's about spending mone right, however I can't say I would have much more fiath in us identifying a £4m target than identifying a £2.5m one, or that the £4m player would be any better necessariliy.

 

I agree there mate.

 

The penny pinching is in regards to hoping to sign smaller level players, pay them less in wage and then hope for the return later.
There may be no return in buying a player aged 28 and on 30k a week at 4-5million. But there is likely a bigger chance of success than signing 3 players at 1.5million and hoping one comes good and can net you a profit next year.


Not always about making a return on a resale as our board seems to want

 

It's catch 22 though, a lot of those players want Champions League football. The longer we're out of it the harder it is.