The Ronny Deila Thread

It's not really "one poor result" though.

The current status quo, and the standard of domestic football, means that Celtic can only really truly be judged on our European performances. Last season's qualification process was an unmitigated disaster when we were pumped out the Champions League play-off round not once but twice! We then subsequently put in mediocre performances in the Europa League when we scrapped by against the likes of Astra and Zagreb (picking up 2 points in the away games).

This year it appears Ronny Deila, and the others running the club, have learnt nothing from the previous experiences. He has persisted with the imposters such as Mulgrew who failed him last year, and thought that signing SPL (and even Scottish division 2) dross was enough to take us into the Champions League. That for me is quite unforgivable.

 

Ronny deserves at least to the new year to rectify the * from the other night.

He got us to the last 32 of the EL last year and was a bawhair away from knocking out Inter ffs. Not one of our last 4 managers can lay that claim in their first season.

 

I don't dispute any of that, it's why I hope he stays, but every year we fail to make the CL sets us back in our development, the money involved is enormous by our standards. Ronny said when he started that there are two ways to get knowledge into a team: buy it in the form of quality players, or develop it and that he prefers the second. I'm all aboard on that one, but he needs to start addressing some of his weaknesses in Europe now, because it's really hurting us.

 

I understand 'what Ronny did in Stromgodset', really do but, no disrespect intended, it's comparing a small town team who'd never achieved anything vs a Team with huge tradition, fan base and expectations. It's not comparable. I was hugely excited when Ronny arrived, but the more I see of him, the more concerned I am becoming. He comes across a genuinely good guy who wants to please, but tactically, on the Big Stage, he's lacking. To play Janko along side Boyata at the back - 2 young lads playing reserve footie a few games ago was bonkers, especially when it was Berget on that side - utterly bonkers. 2-0 down and brings Ciftci on with 20 min to go. Crazy. To keep playing Johansen, believing he'll come good is downright bad management. He said the guys were scared. So why didn't he do something about it. He did nothing from the touchline but stood and watched.

Ronny is a passionate and likeable guy, who wants to please. But wanting success and getting it are 2 very different things.

By the way....just what do Collins & Kennedy do and why are they getting away Scot free from criticism?

 

Deila has done a great job implementing new fitness and diets and work rates in to the team. Some players may still not be fully on board, but that's the nature of the beast.
His early season start last season is understandable, but evidently he got the best out of that squad and the second half of the season we saw a fantastic run and performances.

He hasn't been backed at all during the summer to build on that squad, the same squad that got weaker with the loss of Denayer and going with only one acceptable level of striker.
The guy needs backed. The same way Lennon knew he was up against it.

Sack the manager today, hire klopp tomorrow, he will still be dictated to in regards player signing and not be backed.
Klopp would still have gotten ciftci on his doorstep and a man city defender who hasn't kicked a ball in years.

Don't for a second imagine a better manager coming in would have been able to sign better quality players.

 

Johansen has been poor all season so far, and his performance the other night has been pretty much par for the course. Brown was poor at home to Qarabag & Malmo, so he just continued from where he left off as well. Bitton's performance came as a shock, but he seemed to want too long on the ball, and he got caught a couple of times. I think that was him trying to take the sting out the game, which he can often do very well. Away in Qarabag being a great example. I'm still not convinced about Boyata anyway, so his few shaky moments, especially the one first half when he gifted possession away on the halfway line, was hardly surprising.

 

This isn't really true. Was Lenny sacked for losing to Morton? So why would Deila be sacked for losing to a diddy team in the cup?

 

Agreed, and that is the biggest problem of all we have. Lack of quality.

 

Like Sutton said after the game though, doesn't matter how big we are, when we are playing with Europa league money in terms of what we spend, then that's what we get.

Janko and boyata played because it is what was left at the managers disposal.
That or we played Ambrose at rb and O'Connell at cb.

No quality in depth in this team at all.

 

Malmo's team cost less to assemble than Stefan Sceopvic, how much do we need to spend to be capable of beating them over two legs?

 

Johansen had been poor all season, he seems to always start slow, but last night was special. When you have Diegan (normally so reasoned) posting that he wanted Johansen to walk off the pitch because we'd be stronger with 10, you know that we're talking about a truly egregious performance.

Similarly with Brown, that's one of the worst games I've ever seen him play. I can't remember a worse one. Even when he's poor, he's never that anonymous.

Bitton you admit came as a shock.

I take your point about Boyata.

 

He set us up to try and not concede a goal when he should have played with no fear sent them out to play football attack like he does every week if we get beat 4-2 and went out so be it it would have been better than that shambles , because footballing terms we are better than * malmo

 

I'm not going to bother voting as I don't want to treat this poll with any kind of credibility. Can't believe this is actually a serious question.

Before anyone asks, I blame the board, and some (not all) of the players. I think Ronny and JC can come across as complacent, and if that's true, that obviously needs to be ironed out, but it's not a sackable offence, imo. Our players should have been good enough and hungry enough to beat Malmö regardless of what RD and JC had to say; that's the bottom line, and that's a matter of the players' own personal professionalism. They shouldn't need their manager to gee them up for a game like that.

 

Most teams who play against barcelona cost less than theirs.
Ours cost less than neymar, should the barcelona manager have been sacked?
Or do we give ourselves some credit for that win?

I don't always agree with Sutton, but he was bang on the money after the game the other night.
These games are 50-50, we get beat in the cups by Clyde, Morton, etc at times.
What we should be doing is spending like our ambitions, and making this job easier on the night.

 

Bitton and Griffiths especially have improved. Forrest has hit a good vein of form but still too early to actually can it sustained improvement imo.

Our play in the SPL is slightly better than it was a year ago imo, the same goes for Europe. As I said though, that's us starting from a very low base. If I'm being honest I think if we only improve in the next 12 months as much as we have in the last 12 months, we will fail to qualify again next year.

I think we are definitely fitter now

The key thing is though, increased fitness, player development etc are all just a means to an end, and that end is putting a successful team on the park. We may be closer to that, but I'm not convinced we are.

 

Who would you have played instead? Ambrose? I think that one was forced on him TBF.

 

When Strachan left, it was the right time to go. The football under him was dire to watch if we are being honest. However, if we are winning league titles, I can look past the style of football, however, when the football is brutal, and we lose the league, it's time to go I feel. I was actually a big fan of Strachan, and I have argued a fair few times that I think he was a better manager than O'Neill, but I'm not sure I would want him to return.

 

I think you have actually highlighted the problem here. You have just said it cost less than Scepovic's fee to assemble Malmo's team, but does that not tell you something. We are spending money on utter * dross far too often.

 

Brown was worse at home to Qarabag. By a long way as well. He was embarrassing that night.

 

Are you saying these signings were forced on Deila? If so, what is your source?