The Poppy and Sunday's Match

If you can not respect a minutes silence for the hundreds of thousand of young men that died in battle, giving you the right not to respect them, then that says more about you I'm afraid.

To compare a minutes silence for those who died in war with a minutes silence for David Ervine is crass in the extreme.

If you don't want to participate then don't enter the stadium until it is over.

Bob - I don't wear a poppy, and I respect everyone's right to chose whether or not they wear one, however, disrupting a minutes silence is just plain wrong imo. For many people the act of wearing a poppy is a simple act of remembrance, it's nothing to do with showing support to the British Armed Forces, I have no issue with others wanting to wear a poppy although I chose not to myself.

 

we are always being told to support the team no matter what

ok then

Celtic players in the past were conscripted and therefore in the armed forces, there are also many Celtic supporters in the armed forces now and in the past

remembrance Sunday is to remember all of those who have fallen.

we should have the courtesy to shut our mouths for 60 tiny seconds and remember fellow Celts who have fallen

my family suffered at the hands of the British forces in Ireland and one member at the hands of british justice who jailed him for a crime he did not commit, however we also have family who died fighting in WWI and WWII.

They and many others deserve respect. They were Celtic fans and those who do not wish to observe should stay outside or turn their backs or stay in their seats

the huns are just desperate for us to give them the smallest excuse to slaughter us because they are wounded due to the exposure of the lie that is Rangers

DO NOT GIVE THEM THE EXCUSE

two wrongs dont make a right

rise above the trash for 60 seconds in the memory of fellow Celts

 

With regards to that, you should have realised that I was comparing the protests, not the content of. I did explain David Ervine in case people asked who he was, you never know.

My point, which you seemed to miss, is that it may have embarrassed Cliftonville, in fact they were vilified for it, but they took no sanctions against us, and respected our right to protest.

The club does the same with regards to the poppy!

 

Are you telling me this bit in reference to something i have said ?


Also i know other people wear it as a mark of rememberance,which i have no problem with..if i did have a problem i doubt i would be good pals with a workmate.

 

Listen, by the way Im really enjoying the fact that this debate has descended into slabbering, but I just don't believe that politics should be brought into football.

I accepted when McCann got rid of the IRA songs for CP because technically they are political and they shouldn't be at CP, neither should any political symbol.

 

Fair dos, mate. Its a matter of personal choice and obviously yours have been shaped by your experiences.

But we are talking about Glaswegians, who havent shared these experiences and many that dont have even family members that did. Many of the "provos" about now don't have any recent or even remotely tangible Irish lineage or influence other than what they know as Celtic fans or learned through google and rebel tapes.

Some people just like the idea of being an oppressed minority and will go out of their way to create that world for themselves, as if you need have opposition to feel passionately about something.

I have many mates like this, albeit some are growing out of it. Some, in there mid twenties only started getting into after they returned to Celtic park after a long absence (although alot have been going since they were tots). These are people that have no Irish roots, and no influences at home that would point them in this direction - one guys parent don't even follow football as far as I know. They are making a conscious decision to go out and learn about something and attach themselves to it because they believe it is intrinsically linked with Celtic and makes them a more rounded fan.

Non of my mates support the national "jock" side, and loved it when "Volunteer" McGeady choose the Repulic. Didn't want to play for a * country.

Im talking about everything here. The SFA, the national team (when a hun pulls out), the media, and the paper that we rubbish yet constantly pay attention to. Its like people believe there is some * Illuminati controlling everything and conspiring against us.

Mind the outraged thread that appeared on here after Burley commented that he didn't think he would see "British" players diving, with the McGeady diving row now long ago? People took that as a personal attack on us.

I realise im going off on a tangent here, but its all related. It just exhausts me, I wish we could just concentrate on the football. This whole country in general is demented.

 

Good call mhate, not brits, but european
Celtic - Scots/ Irish and European. (nothing to do with britland)
imo

 

My point is that disrupting a minutes silence for hundreds of thousands of people who gave everything so you have the right to protest is on a completely different scale to disrupting a minutes silence for Ervine.

I don't agree with ever disrupting a minutes silence, if I had no respect for the person being remembered I simply would not go in until the minutes silence was over, that way I don't have to respect something I don't want to and I'm not stopping others for showing a mark of respect as they wish.

It's just plain human decency not to disrupt a minutes silence.

Remembrance Day commemorates all who have died for our freedom, yes you have a right to protest, but only because of the sacrifice those people made and maybe you should think about that before deciding to disrupt the minutes silence. This has absolutely nothing to do with supporting the British Armed Forces and everything to do with giving up 1 minute of our life in thanks and remembrance to those that through the tragedy of war have enabled us to live in freedom.

 

No Bob, I was just stating my stance overall, you've stated all along you have no issue with an act of remembrance but you don't agree with the poppy. Sorry should have worded it better

 

Im not talking about plastic provos, Im talking about the thousands of Celtic fans who'll be there on Sunday, and the thousands who will be watching on TV. I won't be there to protest and will feel let down that the club is endorsing it.

Im not thick. Im not going to saying everyone there on Sunday will be Irish, nor that they will be anti-poppy. What I'm saying is that I agreed that the Republican symbols (songs, flags etc) should go, though not because they are sectarian but because they are political, so I feel the club will only be pandering to the Orange men at the SFA and beyond, by doing as they say!

As I said no politics in CP!

 

Well if we're going to go that way, WWI and WWII(I only mention thos because they are pretty much the only wars i remember from history class) were fought out by many european countries, not just Britain, against the Nazis so in the minutes silence you can remember all of those european men and woman who have fallen.

 

So what avenue of protest do I have, not to go early? If I go to a Celtic match, I'm there from 1 in the afternoon, and I like to be in early to get a taste of the atmosphere. So now I'm disenfranchised by my club. Total let down considering how much you spend to go and see your team, only to get the same * you get at home rubbed in your face!

 

The thing is, remembrance sunday is the time for people to give respect if they so wish, Football games should have no part in this.
Remember when the Pope died and we played hearts at hampden, the silence lasted 20 secs, then got called off. Hun fans didnt have a tribute for the Pope.
Minutes silences at football should just be for football people of the clubs involved imo.
EG - Tommy Burns, celtic have a minutes silence for him. And if a player from another team dies they have a silence for them.
Keep the rest of it away from the grounds cos you will upset someone.

 

But then what if my uncle was a * killed by on of those men? Would I have right to protest?

 

Everyone has the right to protest. I just think it would be a silly place to do it. The difference with the minutes silence is it is to honour Britsh soldiers and it is taking place in Britain.

 

ah ok,no problem Danni

 

Many fans are angry at the poppy, but i for one am more angry at the total lack of respect the fans are being shown by the board. The board are totally ignoring the fact that the fans might not be happy with their descisions.
Before a certain Mr. Reid came on the scene, we never had much problem with this. This current board have totally changed the support since the early 90's and too many fans now sit back and accept all these changes and respond with 'faithful through and through'.
Its time for the board to appease the fans and not the media. I would have liked to board show some backbone for once and choose the happy medium, and go with prefered white poppy of peace, if need be.
I, like many fans, will not be entering the stadium until after the minutes silence and until after kick-off. Before i get shot down in flames, with people saying my choice is only due to Irish connections or whatever, i would like to state my feelings clearly..
In my opinion, the poppy has lost its original meaning of remembering those brave men who died in 2 World Wars, and the main reason why I will never show support for the poppy is due to the way it has been hiijacked to appeal for those soldiers who supported an unjust war in Iraq.
Those who decide(or decided last year) not to accept this choice by the board should not be 'banned for life' etc, and instead their political stances should be acknowledged and respected, whether the agree with them or not.

 

Top post.

 

Which I can understand but as I said, Celtic should be more diplomatic, give to the foundation but not actively participate in Remembrance sunday!

 

Yes but they are a part of it, every club in the UK will be commemorating this.
How bad will Celtic look if they refuse to participate?
The media will have a field day, the huns have another reason to compare us to them and it will leave a bad taste in the mouth of everyone, except a number of anti-poppy wearing Celtic fans.