The difference between us and them

we are not a better side than rangers as the results will tell you that,
this is looking at our team with green specks on. but if you take them of for a short time and have a look, we are a few players that are not doing allot for our cause
we have a larger pool but 8-10 of them are not classed as first team players, some of them not getting a chance as there face don't seem to fit in. i maintain it is our lack of ball players in the middle of the park, that cant take even one guy on, and dribble the ball other than mccourt kayal cant control it brown cant control it ki cant control it, ledley cant take the ball into the box, its left to wing play and again none of the 4 follow the movement of the wingers into the box to try and connect that is left to 2 strikers why, but when you see naismith, Davis, braking there neck to get on the end of wing play balls it ain't hard to see why we are
sitting in second place and have been since we have had lazy midfield players, over the last 3 years or since Sutton and Stan and lubo left they helped Larson, and hartson, big time and i don't see why this is not addressed,

 

Butch our midfield is not the problem, in fact the strength of our midfield could frankly be the only shining light and saviour of the current situation, our defence and strike force has let us down so far this season, mistakes at the back have not come from midfielders not tracking runs, but simple crosses into the box where defenders have made half arsed clearances or don't clear their lines effectively.

The chopping and changing of the central pairing in defence and FB positions, and the changing up front has caused us major problems already this season. We must stick to a pairing of Maj and Mulgrew at cb, stick with matthews and el kad until izzy is back, and stick with Stokes and hooper up front with bangura replacing either if they get injured or the game calls for something different.

 

I don't think its anything to do with the fact their born and bred huns. I think that they have a policy of signing physical players that are up for a fight and we seem to prefer light weight guys who have more skill but skill alone doesn't win anything in Scotland.

Also a big factor in their success is the amount of Scottish players that are in and around the first team, even if they are not hun supporters they know how important it is to perform in a glasgow derby. The only Scottish player with any attitude that we have is Scott Brown, they seem to have loads.

 

Doesn't make them better players ffs.I would rather have our team on form than there's as last seasons old firm games proved.it was a few individual games that * us

 

That's what bothers me the most, some of our players' attitudes seem to have taken a turn for the worse.
As Evilbunny says, Hooper's goal celebration (and some of his team mates) looked as we were just going through the motions.
The difference I see this season is that, we have a group of talented players who are playing more like individuals, and the huns are playing more like a settled team. Does it come from the dressing room ? Who knows ?

 

What I would like to know is how very few SPL teams can score against them, yet they are ripped apart by the absolute * of Europe who are no better than teams like Inverness and hearts.

Think Davie provan of all people might have been on to something when he said ' Hearts are showing so much more commitment towards Celtic than they did against Rangers last week'

The same can be said for every other team in Scotland imo.

 

It shouldn't matter what team these players grew up supporting. When you play for Celtic, you play for the jersey, you should always be fired up and ready to go out and win, particularly with a manager as passionate as ours. Also, I'm sick of this 'Brown was a hun' pish. I really don't see where this has come from. He's said he supported Cowdenbeath as a kid. If he was a hun, would he reject them to come to us?

 

It's not about buying Celtic supporters or even British players that know what Celtic's about already. Take Kayal for example, he comes across as if he would run through brick walls on the pitch.

However, I do agree in a way. When we buy players, we buy them due to their good performances but we don't really know what they are like as a person or when the going gets really tough. With a Celtic supporter, you're likely to get 100% every time. The huns always give 100%.

 

Feelings don't matter, skill does. Even with our B-Team we were better than the huns till we completely refused to play football in the 2nd half.

Our manager has to take the blame for his weird formation and tactics.

 

we lack bottle,hunger,desire,passion thats wots wrong with our current crop of players

 

who gives a * weather they are a hun or celtic or a * alien,
all that counts is that they play the best for the team they get paid for and at the moment they play better simple

 

THe difference is 10 points. Plus we have enouh players and management that know the coz. Simple. We are just nit showing the same passion as last year and it must be sorted now.

 

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you tell me then when we attack the goals using wing backs why are there no midfielders sliding in or busting a gut into the box to connect there is not one and what happens because there are only 2 strikers in there the 4 to 5 defenders are able to get to the ball first to clear KI ledley BROWN, commins, kayal, as close as the go, is 25yds out.
but when you watch any other team like Davis Naismith they are in there like a rat out a chip poke. why is this not happening, also they do not double back any further than 30 yards from our goals in defence again
putting us under pressure dont be kid-ed they are doing anything wonderfull in the middle of the park, as they are creating nothing at all, with side passing and back passing, is all that Lennon done, but we do not need 4-5 doing it, as you soon find out, you win * all, and you haven't made our strikers get warmed up. my philosophy is this when you attack 4-5 players attack when your defending 6 defend and 2 only parade the center circle either way

 

Think this isnt much of an issue. The thing is more what has changed from last season?
When we pumped the huns 3-0 at Parkhead all of our players 'wanted' it more than theirs. Think you could feel the passion down in England. Foreign players like Hooper, Izzy, Kayal all wanted it so badly and were so eager to win that match.

Squads hasnt changed that much since then. They have a few new players, who are mostly foreign (Goian, Bocanegra, Bedoya) and we have a few new.

So suddenly we have a bad period and you will see people think our players are not passionate enough etc. While last season everybody was praising the team for their passion. I can remember Izzy's individual celebration when Hooper scored the winner at St Mirren in the 92th minute.

Think there are other issues than this.

 

http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/showthread.php?t=112726

Started a thread a few days back about somethng not being right, not as passionate et

 

Last season they were saying exactly the same thing when we destroyed them all over the park, that time we had the desire but for some reason it has just completely gone this season.

 

*. Big Jock, McGrain and Dalglish were all big huns as kids and they had the passion. This is not an issue.

 

There is just something just kinda horrible about your first paragraph here, I can't put my finger on it. It just sounds really bitter and horrible. Bit too angry? I also bet that a few of the players you mentioned don't loathe Celtic as much as you think, a lot of the international boys are good pals for example. I think the point about them trying harder, digging in etc is true, but I don't think that applies to all of them you mentioned and I don't think its based on pure hatred like you insinuate.