THE BOARD

Simple answer is don't do it. No one is forcing you, if you are that unhappy then stop moaning and do something. I am pretty sure you'll be back when they win the league though.

 

I feel like a disappointed kid who didn't get what he wanted for christmas.

 

do what exactly? your 100% right that ill be there if we win the league and youll be 100% right that ill be there if we dont. we just expect more of celtic and we have every right to feel aggrieved.

 

That's part of the problem, Kerr - we expect a lot, too much for me.

 

That's up to you what you do. You are the one moaning about paying money that no one is forcing you to pay.

 

are you on the board ??


People will pay because it is in their blood.


Shouldn't you know that already ?

 

Hammer not trying to patronise you mate just explaining how I see your argument. You see me as a pessimist and perhaps I could take issue with you on that. For me wanting to improve is not a pessimistic way to think, being happy at standing still as you seem to be is in IMV.

No one is talking about results hear, however we may very well find ourselves doing just that, in the coming months. At the same time I don't see anyone being critical as to the way the clubs finances look, for that the powers that be can be very proud of their achievements.

What is being said by many is the fact, that we the fans have been spun/lied to.

Can you not see that point of view?

It has left a very uneasy feeling with me. as to the rhetoric that has been coming out of the club. We have been told that Celtic are an ambitious club that is going places, along with the promise of significant funds being made available for WGS to strengthen the first team.

I am sorry but their is no evidence to suggest their was any truth in those remarks. In fact this summer, the club has spent the least money in the three seasons under WGS, while being in the best financial shape. In any business if you lie or mis-lead your customers, then their is the real possibility you will face major repercussions.

Why should Celtic the business be any different?

They can't have it both ways, on one hand they are praised to the hilt for their good business practice. However on the other hand, they should not be praised for enticing remarks towards their customers, of which they had little intention of following through with their promises.

Why they can have it both ways is the fact they are in a privileged position. As they know their customers will always be loyal, this allows liberties to be taken. However even the most loyal of customer has a limit, as to the way him or her can be treated. Celtic need to be careful as the spin from the club towards the fans is not a new thing. They are taking us for granted which in any walk of life is unacceptable.

Most supporters at the start of this window, were filled with anticipation. We had been all waiting for quality players to arrive. Their was a promise of significant monies of which received a further boost by Rankers failure to qualify for the CPL.

It is obvious the board got complacent, decided they were fine as they are, no need to push the boat out in terms of bringing players in. It is that very complacency that is unacceptable to me and the fans should not easily accept it.

 

im hurting as much as everyone but this was only one game, i think we will bounce back.

i think the board have to take the responsibility for not buying the players we needed and i do feel for everyone who thinks we have been lied to with the big names that were bouncing around. i dont feel that any of the players we have bought are going to be first team picks.

i do feel tho that with our current players we can win the league again and prob with a couple of decent buys in jan we can make sure of it.

someone on this thread said that the rangers fans asked for a midfield and they got one??? they did get a midfield but it was at the expence of thier best player and too late to save them from a year of european obscurity.

 

Earlier in the year we where praising peter lawell for the great job he had been doing ,and when celtic won the league on the last day we were led to believe that celtic are going up to another level.

There was a thread on peter lawell saying that he was the man for the job,and i for one spoke very highly of him ,what he has done in the turn around of celtics accounts has been remarkable ,and its seems that the bank manager is happy ,thats all well and good but theres a football also to be taken care of.

Rangers honestly thought that they had won the league last term probaly about 4-5weeks before the season finished in sure of that ,and im also sure that there money men where rubbing ther hands with the money they expected from the champs league ,then they got shot down .

Celtic were flying ,with winning the league and going straight into the champs league i dont think the money men expected that outcome of the league and what a bonus to them it was ,im sure before the league was settled when celtic werent in contention ,there would have allready been talking about the transfer kitty for this season ,and the challenge that rangers had thrown at celtic .

With the reverse happening ,celtic should have pumped a lot of money in [celtics eyes a lot] to insure that celtic would be the dominating team in scotland ,rangers were there big-time for the taking ,there were complaining about the lack of money to buy him or him ,and they also feared that celtic would dominate them for years to come .

Celtic in my view ,never had it so good and should have capitalised on the failure of rangers ,the board should have released something in the region of about 15million ,thats a lot in celtics books ,but what a statement that would have sent out to scotland ,rangers in my view have now been given a second chance by celtic .

Are celtic to cautious with there money i think so ,the money men at celtic would also know that rangers would have had to get them self further into debt to be able to challenge celtic this season ,as things turn out they have spent 15 million on transfers coming in ,i dont know how much they recoup ,but they are stronger .

Celtic on the other hand havent spend much at all ,yes the team is better equipped with back up players ,but in hindsight we where looking for more than backup players ,the board are in my view to protective of money are they afraid of a bad AGM or something ,that they have to report losses ,they need the team to function firstly and if that happens the rewards in money come into the club ,

Im now wary of peter lawell ,i honestly thought this guy is going to send celtic to another level ,and also insure the demise of rangers ,this hasnt happened and i now fear that rangers will come back at us big time ,when they shouldnt even be bothered about

 

Good points there mate.

The board are taking the * big time.

What happened to the speeches (numerous) by Lawell saying "WE WILL PROVIDE ALL THE FUNDS TO THE MANAGER TO STRENGTHEN THE TEAM TO TRY AND PROGRESS IN THE CL"

We have spent just over 5.5 million roughly.

The board was happy thinking we could JUST keep ahead of the scumbags, but they have badly underestimated the Huns desire to stop us winning 4.I.A.R.

That's why we will NEVER have a fan representative on the board.

Because a REAL supporter would not stand by and watch this con job once again.
Neither would a manager with any balls

 

well said mate ,celtic should and could have moved on to another level from rangers ,now its an even keel adain

 

Marty mate with all due respect this is not about one result, it is just that that result has highlighted the problems we as fans already knew exisited.

No doubt we will bounce back in the SPL as we are stronger than most of the teams. However if that was the MO of the club, then fine just tell us that our ambition is to stay as we are and to struggle through the SPL campaign in another tight dog fight.

Don't spin us the lies that we are going to another level, thats not the way to treat your loyal faithful.

Brilliant post KD spot on mate.

Exactly to stand back and except the spin is not going to achieve anything. Celtic are taking liberties and the fans are allowing it, however for how long? Everyone has their limit.

 

Brilliant post KD spot on mate.

cheers mate:icon_mrgreen:

 

What supporters have to remember is the Board is run by New Labour - John Reid is a master of spin and deception - a war criminal. He has another ex New Labour minister backing him up. They have lied to the fans and misled them with their pompous statements and broken promises.

There NEVER was any intention of "taking the club to the next level".
Spend as little a possible, and stay just ahed of the Huns is the Board policy. We have, once again, missed a great opportunity to sink them.

Forget about any idea of having a fan on the board - these guys would never entertain it - too many truths would emerge and they would be rumbled. The only way thing will change is by supporters taking direct action - we can rant and rave all we like but they won't take any notice. I really fear for the next few months as come December, it could be too late.

 

Hammer wrote,That obvious that they continued to try and strengthen right up until the end of the window? Your believing what you want to believe based on nothing more than a fabled biscuit tin mentality that doesn't exist. Our board is ran by intelligent, qualified shrewd businessmen that know exactly what they are doing. They are succesful in their fields and all share the common goal of making Celtic the best club it can be. If that means tightening purse strings to reduce debt so we can plan mid to long term then so be it.??????????????????????????just let me know when the plan comes together. Is there a special date in the diary.Please let me know

 

Cmon guys dont waste a good thread by over reaction ,2 different kind of views makes a good thread but keep it civil.

 

If they have a long term plan then that's what they should be telling the fans instead of hinting at wow signings.

 

Hammer we are standing still in terms of the players out on the pitch. Again no one is commenting on WGS's past successes, he deserves great credit for his achievements. Even if he has somewhat been fortunate to be manager when Rankers were at their weakest both financially and in terms of players out on the pitch. He has been able to beat what's in front of him and no one could ask for anything more in terms of honours.

I am not talking about the last week or so of the window, I am talking about the spin throughout the summer. Tamster above has lifted one of many quotes from Lawwell. I am not making things up others feel they have been let down on promises made also.

First and foremost I am a fan, however I am being treated like a customer by our club not a fan. You and others are quick to mention how well the club is being run, so your mindset is as a customer also. For me we are singing from the same hymn sheet as we both want what's best for our club.

The only difference hear is you believe we are being provided with that very thing. I just don't I feel we are being cheated.

As regards to the deception I answered you above, your not seriously telling me you felt from the noises coming out of the club. That we would spend as little this summer as we have, are you?

Oh and your part of the club, that makes more sense now to your stance, your a company man/fan.

According to WGS days before the window shut. ''if he was a Celtic fan'', He wouldn't be hopeful of any new signings.

However we shouldn't be waiting until the end of the window, to pursue our targets. Long before the end of last season we should have been identifying players. We were strung along all summer and who's ever fault it was this window has been a failure, of that their is no question.

For the club to currently be in the best financial shape in years, then that lack of activity is unacceptable to me.

If it means tightening purse strings then fine just be honest and say so.

Don't imply that we have ambition to take the club on to the next level if that's not the intention.

You have pretty much made my argument for me in this above paragraph.

I have been full of praise when it is deserved, your reference to my description of Robson is accurate but not relevant hear. However I am still not altogether convinced by him. He is certainly worth more than 50p (that was a tongue in cheek comment at the time BTW)

You too have bee wrong your views are not always correct Hammer, don't pretend they are.

P.S. please respond in quotes boxes as I am having difficulty responding to your posts. If you respond to this one in the same manner as the last then don't expect a reply.