The Big Strachan Argument (Multiple Threads Merged)

lubo how is 4-2 a onesided affair? open your eyes.

 

* if you beleive this was a hard fought tie, we watch the game from totally different angles m8, even in the first half at CP we were raped, up the park twice and scored twice.
When its on celtic tv you watch it and tell me we didn't give posession away constantly.
No offence, do you drink a lot?

 

ofcourse they were the much better team but to score twice shows imo that we did try.
they are a FAR FAR FAR better team. surely you agree with that?
good teams force other teams to make mistakes, and make them look bad.

 

They are far better but so where AC milan and a lot of other teams, we didn't sit off them and admire them though, we did do that in this tie, thats why i'm disgusted.

 

That could partially be the answer to why it all went wrong , but I can't accept we have players at the club who panic themselves into making basic schoolboy mistakes when they play against superior players..

For what it's worth , we still hear fellow fans using this scenario to this day "we beat Blackburn and Liverpool in Europe so we COULD cut it in the premiership".. For anyone who watched the Blackburn games that year we were outplayed in both legs (David Thompson dominated the midfield) yet we managed to previal because we showed grit and determination and composure when we had the ball.. Yes we had far better players then , but we expect a lot better than what we got last night... We have been pasted in European games before by quality opposition yet we still won the matches because we competed , so there's no excuse for why we lacked the ability to even pass the ball and compete last night..

That's my last post on this matter.

 

i'd prefer to get beat 4-2 than get beat 1-0. simple as that. maybe your forgetting acmilan at parkhead
all we DID was defend

 

No shame in losing 1-0 in the Nou Camp. Granted Celtic were not at their best although there was a few positives to take from it. Sno and Boruc to name but two We also had a few good passing moves going forward but I felt Barca just outclassed us and closed us down. McGeady was a marked man but managed to get in a few crosses looking for a wonder header from JVOH or whoever but too deep in the delivery. The negatives are far too easy to highlight particularly the first half performance. I'd rather not go down the route of analyzing the match anyway. Why is it we get a * draw every friggin time and Barca don't have a keeper like Fenerbace's (except for penalties)

The last 8 or further at the moment is a dream but one I won't give up on.

 

Lubo, does the fact that Barcelona put in their best performance of the season (1st leg) , they played the super 3 upfront in the 2nd leg even though they knew they could of won without them, the fact we scored 2 against a team who had only lost 2 goals in the competition and the fact that if it wasn't for 3 defensive errors Barca may not of scored at CP or at least had to work harder, show we made a competitive match of it ??

One sided, i can assure most Barca fans were worried when we went 1-0 and 2-1 up against them, they never knew if Barca could beat us at home after being a goal down, but being in the lead twice , deserved or not, is a one sided affair to you?

 

Yes it was totally one sided we went up the park twice and scored twice.
As i've said CE, its the manner of it, our players were watchin messi and iniesta play football, we didn't mark up , we didn't keep possesion which GS always claims to be his aim and ethic.

 

Well I've got to agree with ??! Celtic are nowhere near the calibur of Barca or even Liverpool... Barca have the best squad on the planet! Liverpool have loads of players that can produce on the big stage!
Celtic have McGeady .... who is the best youngster to come out of CP, and if givin the chance and the backup could turn out to be the Scottish/Irish equivalent to messi... Nakamura could score a free kick against the best keepers in the world.. but has to get that oppertunity, Brown will come good in time! * knows whats happnin with Koki,Hinkel is the calibur of player we need once fit and settled! and Boruc , to me is in the top 5 keepers in the world rankings! but even Buffon, Casillas Cech would concied if their defence was like ours! McDonald is a quality wee striker but yet again needs the backup! We never had a lookin aganst a team like Barca over two legs! Even at Fortress Park which is our only chance at this level we looked out of our depth! The two goals we did score were absolutly flukey!
we needed to stregthen the vastly inexpierenced defence in the summer and January and never! thats where we went wrong! I've never been to keen on WGS but Ive grown to like his football, on this occasion I can't blame anyone, we just werent good enought period! and we probably never will be!!

 

Inspiring Jnr,
its hard to disagree with this m8, apart from the McGeady bit, he's good but not that good, and i think messi is younger. But i love wee mcgeady, he's a breath of fresh air this season.

 

ffs what is this. as fans we all want silverware, expensive new players and to win every game we play, now thats just fantasy.

take a bit of a reality check and think. we were not good enough!!!!

this team done there best on the night, as far as i am concerned we got to the last sixteen two years in a trot what more can you expect

what we want to see is not always what we get, theres always next year and the year after that

some of you on here expect far too much

 

Why do people see this whole thing as your either this side or that side? You are all making valid points but theres no need to argue about it (A no it's forum). We were totally outclassed over 2 legs and Barca are miles upon miles ahead of us in every department. But so *. Lubo your 100% right when you say it was embarrassing the way we needed Barca to basically stop trying for us to be able to relax and string a few passes together coz that's exactly what happened.

We are far better than that technically, so to me it all comes down to psychology, personality and a hugely under-strength defense (which is down to the way they are being coached as well as the players' ability). As a team we showed absolutely no grit determination, and even if we did who's to say we'd have got a result anyway?

 

Reality check! - a real one.

Why the origional poster felt the need to create this thread as in someway to belittle the origional Reality check thread is beyond me.

I dont see anyone dis-agreeing that we were disapointing against Barca and I equaly have not seen a post suggesting we should have beat them and WGS was at fault for not doing so.Also to me for anyone to Isolate last nights game as WGS´s fault is unfair when you look at the oposition we where facing.

However I think it is very relevant to look at the overall picture in relation to the positives and the negatives of the team(wich was the point of the reality check thread)to me accepting the negatives as a lot of the posters do IMO will only delay turning these problems into positives.

P.S.SQUIRE I agree with the sentiment of your post.

 

* ,,,if someones better than you ,you try harder,caseing point" david and goliath" if a team is better than your team then as a team you try harder "caseing piont gretna winning scottish cup


but you dont just roll over and say * me in the *,,

your right they have better players and there are better teams in the CL than us ,but to roll ove and give up before it starts is not on,

a guy wrote in here today,"hand on heart do u think we played for a 2-0 win"my answer to that is a resounding no sir,
and if u can tell me what our goal was last night ,your a bettter man than me,


apart from my small rant,,ure still our * mcghee ,, iwish the celts had balls

 

I know this has been done to death but I do believe that until we get out of the SPL we will always be punching above our weight when we get into the Champions League. It's never a case of 'If Celtic go out', it's always a case of 'when'. The cream of the world's crop of players are always going to choose the Man U's, Chelsea's, Barca's, Milan's, Arsenal's of this world over us any day. European football has changed almost beyond recognition since the day we won the Big Cup and, unfortunately, apart from us and the Huns, Scottish football hasn't changed enough.
Personally I'm glad this year's adventure is over. I'm not being defeatist but we never stood a chance of winning that tournament and now we can focus on the real matter at hand, namely stopping the Manky Mob from getting their filthy hands on our Title.

 

i expect a bit of having a go ,4-5-1 to me suggests he opposite it was never going to happen when you set the team up like that ,it was a cup tie ,go for it and at the end of the day you can say we gave our best ,wgs should have started with 3 strikers last-nite ,barca might have had a battle but we shall never no , i now worry what sort of shape do celtic now play against rangers , if the play the normal 4-4-2 i fancy celtic ,but wgs has his own ideas ,jvoh started last nite why not mcdonald ,its changes like this its got me worried

 

The majority of your post was correct but to call our 1st goal fluky is a bit harsh, it was great play by Aiden on the wing, who cut i back to Naylor who swung it in and Jan out a brilliant head on it? What's fluky about that?

 

i think it was Skippy who cut the ball back to naylor, great play by skippy, Aidan i think crossed it to skippy.

 

ofcourse you try harder and no one can seriously denie the fact celtic try harder in the CL than in the spl. it usually gets brought up when we draw with a team like st mirren usually it looks like "are our players only giving a * for the cl ? do they think they're too good for the spl teams and not trying?"
secondly, gretna lost in the final v hearts

our goal, i firmly believe our goal against barca was this tim-
don't let them score in the first half (ok, we failed there)
score mid way second half and go all guns blazing for the rest of the match.

why do this? scoring an early goal against the likes of barca at home isn't going to make them think, christ, we're going to lose
its going to make them go all guns blazing because they have such a good attack. holding a 1-0 or even better a 2-0 against barca in the camp would have been impossiable.
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p.s. lubo, ac milan game at parkhead, do you remember the game? all we did was defend