thats it time is up!

Aye but last season we finished bottom of our Champions league group , failed to make a UEFA cup place and went out to a struggling team like St Mirren in the Scottish cup while turning a 7 point lead ito a 4 point deficit in the league..

So Aberdeen's failure to score agaisnt Raith and Hearts is TM's fault.. What about the goal Aberdeen scored against Falkirk last week.. Aren't you going to give TM credit for that one ?

We also conceded four at Pittodrie last season so it's just been more of the same..

Did you sleep through last season ?

 

Well the seasons BEFORE THAT Were two of the best euopean seasons we have had, yet you are willing to slam strachan for one bad season.

 

AYE , as his post needed a fair and balanced reply , and because it was Strachan's 4th season.. Things gradually went downhill from about 2 seasons onwards with the huns gifting us a league title before mounting a challenge in the season we blew 4 in a row.. The complacency had already set in , culminating in the 11 point turnaround... It's fine to pretend his 4th season didn't happen and focus on the last 16 twice and 3 titles , but doing that kinda clouds the Strachan tenure and doesn't tell the story of the position the club was in when TM took over.. We were a club that had been embarressed in Europe and were second best to the huns.. The exact same situation we find ourselves in this season under TM , give or take a result or performance here or there..

 

Strachan done a great job until last season where he began to lose the dressing room, his record domestically and in Europe couldn't be faulted before that. I think Mowbray lost the dressing room as soon as he said 'I need 10 new players'.....a few short months into his tenure.


We've lost as many games as Motherwell (Who managed to rebuild, then get another manager quite successfully) & Dundee Utd this season, how can ANYONE defend that?

 

Nobody is defending TM for this season.. I've already stated that anyone who wants him fired for this season is well within their rights as it's understandable.. My reply was because the poster was implying we went from this great position of strength under Gordon Strachan with the clubs proud home European record to absolutely the pits within 8 months under TM's leadership and the sad thing is I believe there's many more like him who feel that is a fact.. The truth is that Gordon Strachan got us into a position of strength off his own back , but failed to capitalise on it and he left us as a club embarressed in Europe and SPL runners up.. I feel it's relevant to mention it to those who'd rather pretend that Strachans 4th season didn't happen..

 

This year is proving something of a first - for all the wrong reasons. First time we have lost to Killie in nearly a decade. First time we have reached March and yet to beat the bottom team in the division are but 2 of the more startling ones. Could go on, but it makes for simply depressing reading. Out of the League Cup & Europe - both before Xmas, out of league contention but for the most unrealistic of hopes & progression in the Scottish Cup remains the lone wobbling hook by which Mowbray can hang his coat.

Since MO'N arrived in 2000 we have lost 3 league titles, by a combined total of 5 points. This season we trail by double that amount, having played a game more and scored 8 less & conceded one short of double what they have.

We are experiencing a reflection of a man whose tactical acumen is set to one gear. The same could be said of his disasterous relegation campaign last season with WBA. His side were lauded for the style of football that they played, but the fact that they spent virtually the entire campaign proping up the rest of the league says it all. Stoke, by contrast, may not play pretty football, but in addition to the football that got them up they found an effective tactic which suits their style and so, stayed up & look safe to do so again this campaign. They adapted. They survived. WBA didn't. End of.

The one positive I can see from TM's tenure is that there is hope. This might seem like an odd thing to say on the back of yet another poor result. Given the style of football that TM wants, that we may get to see a goal feast, if it ever all clicks, there is a flicker of hope. Real champagne football. On the way to CP on matchday there is a sense of anticipation that today could be the day that it all falls into place, that we are about to see something special. But thats a big IF.

Much of WGS tenure was devoid of such expectation.Under WGS we were far less likely to go on a goal rampage, for we knew what we were going to be get, and with the exception of the last few months, somewhat more able to grind out a win to sustain a series of results. Is it something TM is incapable of or only seems so? That if it isn't working there seems little idea as to effectively change the course of a game, in order to grind out an ugly win.

To highlight this we can all remember any number of occasions when, under MO'N or WGS we were able to conjure something up late in a game, to salvage a point, to win a match. Since Mowbray arrived, I can only think of the one time this has happened; against Hearts at CP early in the season.

Maybe it his desire for the dramatic that guides his decisions to deploy a midfielder who hasn't played in months at LB when we are chasing a game, or has 4 forwards on the park without having anyone to create & without natural width. I've said it before - Its like we are watching a full season of pre-season friendlies.

I would hope that this isn't true, but there is little evidence to suggest otherwise - If Mowbray can't win beautiful it seems he would prefer not to win at all.

 

If wgs had been here another season i think he would have beaten this huns team,all hear say but he would have at least run them a lot closer.

 

Would give anything to have the wee ginger mad man back...throwing his notebook or clip board to * when the team * up.
You just knew at half time it would be sorted.....
Come back wgs some of us knew you was doing a good job.

 

Of course he would have done (run them a lot closer I mean).. I honestly believe I could have done better than TM has.. The thing is that Strachan would not have progressed the team forward and his tactics of playing "not to lose" games would have been even more apparent by puting in guys who "know what it means" rather than guys who like to play football..
Strachan showed us last year when we were defending a points lead over the huns and had the OF Celtic Park game (where he benched McGeady and Samaras for Flood and JVOH) that he didn't have the courage to go for the throat and try to put the title to bed and it cost us.. Im sure he'd have a team on the pitch that was hard to beat , could mix it with the best of them (which I think goes a long way in football) and would win more than draw or lose , but it would have been * awfull to watch but the turgid football lovers would at least have their highs and lows rather than just the lows we have gotten this season...

I know.. I loved those 10 minute warm-ups and being given directions from Pendry before subs were allowed onto the pitch..

 

I want WGS

 

We haven't won 2 SPL games in a row.

Sums it up for me really.

 

No.. don't go there.. If we still had WGS , we'd still have Caldwell , Mcmanus , Skippy , JVOH , Hartley , Flood , Killen and pish football like his 4th season.. He went as high as he could take us and his time was up..

 

I agree WGs had his time and Mowbary clearly is not up to the job so its time to get a manager in who can take our club forward .

 

patience ran out?

i have been a suporter of mowbray this season, but my patience has finally ran out and i think its time for him to go, what celtic need is a really expireneced manager mowbray isnt strachan was and look what he done,

Celtic dont have the money mowbray could spend in the EPL so thats why i think we need an experienced manager.

what do you think??

 

With all due respect would not mind any of them here.

I know Caldwell was not playing well but he is better than Loovens and O'Dea.

Hartley is old yes but he is still quality.

Don't think the other 2 need an explination!

 

Strachan (in the end up) had to go, his signings in the summer of 08 were shocking, he at least knew how to organise and motivate the team though.

Whereas Mowbray, all his signings on paper have been decent, but hasn't got the faintest clue what to do with these players.


If I was a bookie I'd be offering odds of 25/1 that Mowbray turns this around and turns out to be a success, it just ain't gonna happen.

 

There's no doubt WGS done a great job for us up until the end. He's gone now, it's time for us to move on and look to the future.

Whether peoples opinions are that Mowbray will or will not bring us success, I wish everyone would stop looking back towards Strachans reign as manager.

 

I honestly believe that there is a cracking celtic team on its way, a fair chunk of the new look team arrived a month ago (roughly) and its just a shame they coulndt hit the ground running.
Hopefully we will see form and style improve between now and the end of season.
It aint over till its over, there is still the cup.
Then who knows... Mowbray might be right we could dominate the scottish game for years again!
Whoever says keep the faith. Im listening!!

 

who was the last manager at celtic to be more or less 13 points behind the huns at this time of the season?

 

mowbray could plunge is deep in debt if he was allowed too.

We shouldnt need to fling 15 million at it to win spl, experience players who have been over the course in old firm games like caldwell,mcmanus,robson they could have helped us alot this season. we have brought in no better!

im still gutted from yesterday