Terrorists. What should we do?

There's your answer. Bring all British ex-pats home, send every person that's not 5th generation British back to wherever their mum/dad/gran/great gran etc came from. Every country do the same.

Then we'll build big walls round all borders. No person allowed to leave for a holiday or business.

We'll hire Donald Trump to plan it all.

 

Why don't we start viewing muslims as they veiw us. That should make difficult descisions a lot easier.

 

He is going to win you know. This just gave him another 1% swing.

 

What about the Muslims fighting ISIS how should we view them?

Or the Muslims who risked their lives to save westerners during the 2015 Tunisian terrorist attacks?

 

No, but I will.
The thing is, for me at least, is yes we can bemoan the fact that a lot of bad things have been done to the Middle East by the west & we shouldn't drag it up. Well, we have to drag it up because it is relevant. The British were fighting the Afghans in 1839, & we are still there!
The west, be it the British empire or US interventionism has never let the Middle East run its own affairs. If it wasn't the Suez, it was the oil, if it wasn't the oil it was WMD. Our goverments always have a reason for us going over there. The middle easterners didn't come over here telling us who to have in power or who we have to sell our oil to. We went over there, & we stayed!
We are not liked, just as the British were hated in Ireland, we can not deny our history, or theirs, & if we are to get anywhere with these people we must change our foreign policy. Illegal wars, exploitation & supporting evil puppet regimes has a cost.
My fear is today it is the Middle East, how long before Nigerians or other Africans become so called 'radicalised' by seeing their countries asset stripped by the West?

 

You're right. Brb, away to my local newsagents to try and sell the * 20 mayfair and a bottle of md.

 

You do know that historically there have been many Islamic empires over the last 1000 years?

 

Yes, and?

 

Well its too simplistic to bring up the fact the British were in Afghanistan in 1839. That is history, its what is going on now that matters.

On another note, just seen this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-...social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

 

Terrorists. What should we do?

1. stop arming and training them.

2. Work with the Russians and Syrians to eliminate as much of the threat as possible.

3. Rebuild all the recently destroyed countries (yes with taxpayers money), reducing the flow of refugees in the process.

4. Dismantle the Ziostate.

5. Vote non warmongers into positions of power in Western countries.

 

That awkward moment every time you see 'Nice Attack' in the press.

 

I dont think they'd give a * whether you see them as Muslims or not. They are Muslims and see themselves as such. The Church of England has gay priests which is also against Christian scripture, are they not Christians in your eyes?

Aye and if Moses were alive today he'd be a Jewish supremacist nutter and Jesus would probably be almost as bad. Most people in the world have moved on from millenia ago though and people who want to take things back thousands of years should not be allowed to do so no matter.

As for the bit in bold, Sufism was once if not the most, then one of the most prevalent forms of Islam especially in Persia, Turkey, the Balkans and North Africa. Wahhabism is only a couple of hundred years old. It's no coincidence that the spread of Sufism through the muslim world largely coincides with the high point of Islamic culture, science and power.
Even Mecca, for millenia, was a Sufi city until the formation of Saudi Arabia and still has many members of prominent Ashraf (direct descendants of Muhammad) families are Sufi and shunned Saudi pressure to embrace Wahhabi teachings and dress. For example Sami Angawi.

And I dont think Saudi Arabia is the nation with the most Islamic knowledge. The country is only a couple hundred years old and was a shitehole until oil money started pouring in. Persia (Iran) was once the biggest Muslim empire in the world and has probably as much Islamic source material as Saudi. Turkey as the Ottoman Empire was the last Caliphate and ruled most of the Arab world, they will have just as much knowledge in libraries in Istanbul and the like as Saudi have. Saudi Arabia DO however have the most knowledge of what is now the most prevalently taught form of Islam, Wahhabism. The Saudis have been funding Wahhabi doctrine, very successfully ever since the first petrodollars came in. The vast majority of all Sunni Mosques and schools in the UK receive their textbooks, fatwas etc from Saudi Arabia and less often, the other Gulf monarchies

 

Has Newt Gingrich the answer

“Western civilization is in a war,” Gingrich told Fox News’ Sean Hannity, hours after a truck mowed down French Bastille Day celebrants in Nice, killing at least 80. “We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported. Sharia is incompatible with Western civilization.”

I am little confused about what would qualify as a Muslim background

 

You get the feeling a lot of these politicians don't really have a firm grasp on what Shariah actually is.

 

There is so much wrong with this statement, I don't know where to begin.

 

Its a pretty good idea but the problem is I don't know how Muslims view us. Could I maybe start on protestants?

 

I think it is anything but simplistic. Seeds were sown in those early wars & the children in the Afhanistan & Middle East badlands are being regaled with stories of Saladin & the mujahideen today. They are tomorrow's fighters/terrorists.
It is to them we have to prove to that things have changed. But it is difficult when they see Western troops & drones destroying their countrymen.

 

Good job I wasn't talking about me then. I'm talking from the perspective of the Muslims who are killing them. The problem here is you're collectively regarding all Muslims as the same, when you should be acknowledging that there's different sects of Islam. Protestant and Catholics are both Christians yet we don't collectively group them if one is killing the other, so you shouldn't do the same with Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims, as well as the other sects.

 

Here,s one we made earlier.

Radical Islam has been a useful tool to take down governments, always has been.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJrNeZgnj7Y

 

The enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend.