Terrorist or Freedom Fighter.

I fully understand and respect everyone's opinion and i have to be honest, this is the best thread ive posted on here is agggees!! Thanks to Martin, Bear, Keltoi and others weve been able to have a good 'oul yarn about something that is highly emotive and lcose to many people both personally and in your case Bear, very physically.

Im not going to keep repeating my veiw on things cause by reading my posts you'll get the jist pretty quick!!

Just one little thing to Keltoi, in ref to a post you made earlier mate....

''I dont think any amount of violence in n Ireland could have brought a united Ireland and its amazing anyone actually believed that.''

Hundreds of men did actually believe this and gave their lives to acheive it... and IMO it's not that hard to believe taking into account 1916 and the Independence of the Republic of Ireland.
The Irish had been fighting the British since the pope was an alter boy ffs, to them it was just another chapter!!

If only they had a crystal ball... so many lives would have been fufilled!

Thanks again you lot for the posts, really enoyed it!!

 

This is getting tiresome and going round in circles Martin. For the 3rd or 4th time now, I will never see any justification in targeting civilians and just because a certain group was targeted, it does not give them the right to target other civilians.

We won't agree on it mate, I do however respect your point of view....all I ask is you respect mine.

 

Nope.

I'm pure * mate!

Was all excited there for a minute, didn't fookin' work!!

 

I'm sorry it is getting tiresome but you haven't given a reason why a people whose civilians have been abused for centuries are weaker than their tormentors if they retaliate.

 

i think you need to change your youtube settings. in the top right hand corner it says site:uk click on it and change it to global, think that may be your problem

 

Im not mad although your avatar picture is very similar to my standard facial expression. I demand the finest wines know to humanity!!

 

Last time.

IN MY OPINION, they are weaker morally. Nothing justifies killing civilians.

 

I do agree with that. And I hope to * that I never have an experience like your very close call.

I don't accept that they are weaker though. As bad as them ? Yes, probably.

But I do understand why the retaliation occurs. The moral high ground is a very ephemeral idea. The IRA may have felt that their ends justified the means and that they were doing what they were doing to end the (horrific) situation. It could be argued that the oppressors (in this case the British) were doing it to prolong the situation.

 

You accuse me of insults and it seems pretty clear to me it's you that has the problem. You are trying to turn what has been a very civil debate into a slagging match. Grow up mate.

 

there,s not many terrorist who would starve themselves to death just to be classed as a army in jail. victory to bobby sands.

 

civilians vote 4 goverments, thats why they are targets, they can tell goverments enough,s enough, some don,t listen like that * thatcher.......

 

a famous quote from a famous song.............and you dare to call me a terrorist, while you look down your gun. history is told by the victors, therefore the terrorist will always be the losers. a.n.c. = terrorists, 20 years ago. now= freedom fighters in government. 10 years from now......... IRA freedom fighters in government. i rest my case :icon_mrgreen:

 

ooops a didnt even read the question. i thought it was who would you join

 

still dont know who the kurdistan workers party are ( is it a * take )

 

No, it's an... interesting... group. Basically Kurds (who are spread across Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran) decided to make a pseudo-communist state separate of all those countries. I think they mostly clash with Turkey but seem to have no qualms going after civilians (including Kurds) and engaging in turf wars.

 

Don't patronise me and accuse me of having a problem. I've insulted no-one on this thread and welcome the debate. How you can accuse me of turning the debate into a slagging match is incredible after some of your deliberate attempts to wind up others, namely ellboy.


I never had any problems reading his posts.

 

The arrogance in your posts is not the way to debate. If I don't agree with you then that's my choice.
You only see what you want to see. There was others whom Ellboy was winding up and you are the biggest wind up. I already told you I was joking with Ellboy, most people would see that by the smilies. You obviously chose not to see that so you could jump on it and use is against me. You should be in politics pal.

And I don't really care if you think I was patronising you or not.

 

Maybe I was :bbpd:

 

I found this thread and must say that the Kurdistan Workers Party is never "terroristic" They were founded in a time when the turkish goverment dont allow to the kurds to speak kurdish. If there is Violence against kurdish People and to the democratic freedom Fighters there must be an defending Organisation.


The secret services always kill people and said "that was the pkk"(kurdish workers party) but there lies come to light.it was there own mans who killes people.

The IRA,PLO and PKK dont want to kill civilists and make ethnic cleans.They are only DEFENDING Organisations.We must Support there Freedom Fighting.

But some organisations like Hamas and Hezbollah have in their doctrine that "jews must be killed" or " christians are pigs and not humans" and so they are ignorant and harmful organisations.We dont can tolerate them.