Tanner Tessman

So why would you say:

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ok Peter thanks for the input. PAY THEM THE RIGHT MONEY AND THEY WILL COME.

 

I really wnat this lad. He looks class and everything we need for a position that needs strengthened.

 

Because it’s crazy how so many of our fans think transfers and attracting quality players to our league are straightforward.

 

And when other clubs are willing to pay them more…?

 

I think most of us are aware of the difficulties of attracting quality players to our league but we might have a chance if we were willing to pay the wage. As it stands we can't even compete.

I always go back to the days of Sutton, Lambert, Hartson, Henrik, Petrov, Lenny and the likes... we had no problem attracting these players to Scotland because we were competitive in wages.. Scottish teams and stadiums, pitches, weather etc were as * back then as they are now.. its all about the wage imo

We look at ourselves as a Scottish club were I think we should be looking at ourselves as a Champions league club or Europa League club at least.. football is changing or has changed and we are getting left behind..

Just my 2 cents

 

To a point but you even get teams like man utd unable to get the odd player because they're not in London

When I was younger I never got it. However as the years pass, I think I'd join the fair weather crew and play in Spain rather than Scotland. You train outside all year round, and now I feel cold going to work at 5 and dream of heat for 2 weeks of the year. Sign me up Spain.

Yet ofcourse if I got offered more money I'd put my gloves on and come to Scotland

 

I agree with you, but the reality is that money in football has increased astronomically in the last 20 years and we’ve not just been left behind, we’ve completely missed that bus.

I’d like to see us try and up our salary brackets and make a better go of Europe, but it’s a difficult thing to do. Say we signed a £12m player this summer and paid him £60,000 a week; the likes of McGregor, CCV, Kyogo and Maeda (for example) would be well within their rights to come looking for a wage rise. If we paid them an extra £15,000 per week, suddenly that one £60,000 player is actually setting us back £120,000 a week - or what used to be four of our top earner’s salaries.

Effectively I think the board go too far on the idea of being better (or at least safer) with four players earning £15,000 a week rather than one earning £60,000. If our scouting was better and we were more confident in a higher earner being a success then I don’t think we’d need to horde as many players as we do. Our first team squad is too big and that has a direct effect on us struggling to bring through our own youth too, which again impacts finances.

It’s a vicious circle and one we seem stuck in for at least the time being sadly.

 

Iv always said sign on bonus could help sort that issue. Keeps the wage low but they still get there money.

 

Competing with the top teams in the top 5 leagues is out of our ability now, plain and simple but we should be able to compete with Belgium, Holland, Portugal(outwith Benfica) some French and even German, Ukraine Scandinavian teams etc.. we don't seem capable of that anymore.

As you alluded too, we fill our squad with absolute dross in the hope of hitting it big with one. We should have a smaller squad with much better quality and youth players ready to fill in if injuries or suspension occur.

For me the football side of our operation needs ripped up and binned.. Ange said it, we should be buying players in the 5 to 10 million bracket in the hope of improving and selling but we are still buying from the bargain basement..

It's a vicious circle as you say but only because our board refuse to break it, it can be done

 

Not to be argumentive, just purely to try and see it from a slightly different angle, but in not sure anyone is advocating on spending 60k on one player. Nor even 12m on a fee.

Not that 12m means you need to venture in to the silly money for wages either.

I'd be much more happier if we took that suggested 120k a week increase overall, and just signed 4 players on 30k a week each. They then compliment McGregor, CCV, Kyogo, maeda etc and suddenly these guys are playing alongside equals instead of your Yang's, Welsh, Taylors of the world.

If the lad tesseman is gonna cost double digits and wages over 40k, then it is a none starter.

I do think we can stretch to 40k, but not sure it would happen in this sort of case yet.

40k should be what we give a guy like Jota or CCV or MOR to say "we get there is good interest, but we are building something here, how does 40k sound and 4 years, knowing we will look to move you on a year or two down the line if you still want to?"

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Again, I agree with you. Our whole philosophy on recruitment needs adapted and modernised.

We’ve shown we can buy cheap and sell big, now rather than trying to continue that trend with a varied success rate, we should be trying to move up a bracket in terms of recruitment. The £1-4m signings should now be £5-8m signings. Even if we made three £6m signings a summer and two of those were big successes and sold at big profit, we’d have a more than sustainable model. Naturally it would also increase our success domestically and give us a better chance in Europe.

Our scouting department needs improved before we can have confidence in that model though. The worst thing about Ange’s success here is that he pulled the wool over the eyes for two years in terms of the lack of structure behind the scenes. We didn’t recover from that last year and we still look slow this year.

The only caveat I’d say to your post is that we don’t just need to match teams from Belgium, Holland, Portugal, France, Germany etc, we need to be beating their offers because they’re all far more attractive places to live and work.

 

Some people put Scotland down too much and I'm Irish.. Some beautiful parts of Scotland where many players have settled in and loved it, I can assure you parts of Holland and Belgium have absolute shiteholes too...

Anyway for me if the wages are good enough players would come.. football players have relatively short careers so if it means playing in Scotland but was earning more than say Holland I think we get the player all day long.. also players nowadays jump from club and country fairly often so again a two year stint with Celtic isn't the end of the world. Plus if you're anyway decent and play well here you usually get snapped up fairly quickly..

Celtic and Scotland isn't a bad a place as some folk make out

 

I agree with you. I was really just using the higher figures to make the point that recruitment has a knock on effect on current players’ salary expectations.

Similar to the point I’ve just discussed with @thailandceltic, I totally agree that signing a couple of £20k-£30k a week players a year rather than twice as many £10-15k a week players is the way we should be going.

I’ve long advocated that we should be rewarding loyalty with salary increases. If an extra £15k or £20k was the difference between managing to keep a proven entity like CCV or O’Riley then they're worth every penny in my opinion.

 

Absolutely are. And specially if it means we can keep them a year or two longer while continuing to add to the squad.
Those years we think "next year this side is gonna make an impact in Europe" aka, what we hoped for Ange third season, we maybe actually would.



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This guy our go to if MOR leaves ?

 

Getting Brendan aaronsen/ Mark McKenzie vibes from this, don't think there is anything in it at all

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Spot on.

The way some people go on, you’d think Scotland is a total backwater, third world country and Celtic is a no mark club.

Almost guaranteed European football in some shape every season. Likely going to win at least one trophy per season. We’ve shown we’re a good stepping stone club for numerous players.

And there’s plenty of lovely places to live in Glasgow/Edinburgh.

Of course not every single player is going to choose us over other teams on the continent, but plenty have done. All about scouting and offering reasonable wages.