Strachan V Mowbray Teams/Line ups **CLEAR THE DEFENCE DEBATE UP**

i agree mate, my point is mowbray shouldnt play his style with these guys playing

 

There's no switch that you can flick and change a whole squads mentality and style of play.

Mowbray cant play one way until Jan and then sign a couple of defenders and immediately play a different type of game

It has to be drilled in week after week after week until it comes to be 2nd nature to the players. Everyone needs to learn their role, positioning etc etc etc

He plays his system, and will buy the players that fit into that.

Whats there at the moment fit into Strachans system, and had success....But Strachans system was based on being hard to beat, they had cover from midfield and were'nt expected to play ball...

Mowbray plays a more high risk attacking game, which just exposes or highlights the weaknesses in the current players, which was always there


The defense wont improve if they are covered by midfield either....they might concede less, but the players wont be any better, they will just have more help.

 

i would be happy for him to play his style when he gets in new players in jan tht are suited to tht system, hes had a few on trial and it seems he's rejected some because they arent the right type of player, so he clearly feels u have to be the right type of player to play his system, and by the looks of it none at our club right now are, so imo he should not use his style just yet, afterall its results jst now tht matter

 

You cant blame it all on Mowbray....
The players need to man up an improove

Hinkel.....make a tackle sometime, cut out the indecision, try and get back after you go forward
Caldwell.....cut out the stupid mistakes & the fouls, play a pass to a midfielder sometime
Loovens.....Head the * ball sometime...stop getting caught under it or letting it bounce

There's only so much Mowbray can do, the players need to man up, improve their game, adapt to the system....... or else * off to Middelsborough


Also ....I dont think it is results right now that matter....getting the team right is what matters now, results will follow

 

Can anyone answer my points ??

 

its funny, ppl have a go at me for saying mowbray out, but everyone is fine to say mcmanus out, i agree they have to play better, but lets face it they just aint suited

 

Mogga has been in the job for 6 * months whereas Mick has been playing for us for about 4-5 years and he is still absolutely terrible. How the * he is captain I will never know.

 

Yes because McManus is * and not good enough for Celtic.

Trying to get Mowbray the sack is knee * , reactionary and frankly retarded.

 

Id like McManus to stay, and improove his game and be a great player for Celtic....but I dont want Celtic to completely change to allow McManus to stay if he cant improove.

Personally I never liked Caldwell or Hinkel so I'd be quiet happy for them to leave...Hinkel more so than Caldwell

The players need to be given time, the same way as Mowbray does...
The difference is Mowbray needs longer to build a squad...where as players need to adapt pretty quickly or they just wont be in his plans...

i.e. your point is Mowbray should adapt to the players or be sacked
my point is the players should adapt to Mowbray or be sold

 

But that's the risk we have to take to make it work.

You cannot switch a teams style of play overnight. This isn't FIFA 10. Mowbray has to implement a style of play and stick to it consistently to get the message across and get players playing consistently. You can't chop and change halfway through a season, or we'll inevitably face another 6 months of fannying about trying to get used to it. Febuary to May is the business end of the season when it's all about consistent results, we can't start implementing a new style of play when we're trying to build consistency. You do that when you have time to make up the ground, that is August to January, when you can see how the players are adapting to the system and where you need to make a change.

I don't think you appreciate just how much work has to go into perfecting these things.

 

so iam not allowed to say mowbray out but ur allowed to say mcmanus out?

imo mowbrays * and not good enough for celtic

 

You speak a lot of sense buddy

 

That post is out of order and wont be tolerated on here.

 

but thts the thing im saying mate, mowbray shouldnt not be playing his style with players tht cant do it, what kinda management is tht?

i want mowbray to play this new style, but only when he has the players tht can do it, basically after he buys in jan, u get me?

 

I gave you a reason why that it is stupid but you obviously took no notice of it or you are a person who selectively chooses what he replies to. I'll go with the latter as you still have not answered my questions.

For the third time :

 

Exactamundo!!!

 

He isn't going to buy a whole new team in January. He needs to see how the players he has at his disposal work in the system and where he needs to make changes, that means he has to play the system consistently to get a valid assessment.

If you think fannying about with new ideas in the business end of the season is a good idea, then good luck to you.

 

Thought it oozed sense myself tbh.

 

hes doing trials to find the right players for his style, so come januray he cud put in place his style and then technically speaking they wudnt be conceeding goals? so it wud be an easy transition

 

I know what your saying and its a valid point....
But I just dont agree its the way to go...
I mean if this is the way we are going to play...Mowbray and the players should be working hard in training everyday to play this way......

If he doesnt play this way now it'll never happen....

Also January is only just over week away...

But say he does switch to play more defensively....it'll take untill Feb at very least to implement fully....
then if it works and he gets results...how does he justify changing back to a more attacking style which has him 4 pts behind Rangers and out of Europe?
If it doesnt work and he tries to switch back....the title race is going to be over as it'll be March or April by then

So my view is that the players either adapt and improve or else they are sold...

Mowbray builds a squad which is more effective and brings trophies and good European runs within 3 years or he's sacked....

I dont think you can have the same short term view with a manager as a player...so I dont equate sacking Mowbray to selling McManus