Strachan (Threads Merged)

Only seen this argument about 50 times before.

 

The fact you are seeing it 50 times before should set the alarm bells ringing.

Bottom line is that WGS is not a really bad manager he is just not the man for the job. I know many on the boards will disagree citing three in a row etc etc but I am confident that had WGS been at Celtic in the 80's and 90's he would not have lasted five minutes.

Lets be honest the "opposition" have been very poor and be in constant suffering with management, players, funds and latterly the UEFA Cup. They are a wounded animal running on whilst licking wounds. Its just a shame that Celtic PLC have not hunted them down and finished them off whilst we have a chance.

The biggest problem faced by fans and media critics is that of not knowing if WGS does not have the balls to stand up to the board on transfers, has the balls and told to shut up or just cannot pick and sign players. Uf you add that into the fact he has actually guided the club to success its kinda hard to slate him.

Scratch below the surface though...........................

 

Ironic that.

Honestly, the "he only signs crap" thing has been thrown out and countered so many times I'm sick of it. There's plenty of good responses from many posters from a variety of viewpoints on the matter.
You can keep believing in it as that's your prerogative. But I've pretty much given up hope for people that keep throwing it out and ignoring all the good responses to it time and time again. I guess if you throw enough noodles at the wall though, some will eventually stick.

 

Be prepared for more rumours:Kerrydale Street -> Jungle drums

Someone said William Hill have shortened the odds on him going to Georgieland from 50'2 to 16's?

 

Skydiver.

'The biggest problem faced by fans and media critics is that of not knowing if WGS does not have the balls to stand up to the board on transfers'

I think the biggest problem is, if you were on the board, how much could you trust the man with more money?
Naka and Boruc the only real value for money buys he's had.

 

That is true in a sense but how often is WGS stating his case to the board and saying I want x, y and z whilst the board say no you can have a,b or c? Who knows what goes on?

I totally agree the transfers he has made have been poor in fact I responded in another thread about them. To be honest I am just fed up of the whole situation. Fans are tearing strips of each other but still coughing up dough and support whilst the management toddle on banking on the fact that the SPL opposition is poor and hoping the run of luck continues in the CL.

 

Heard more garbage from him tonight, now he's saying the football we've been playing has been 'Briliant'.
Grrrrrrrrrrr who the *'s this wee * trying to kid?
Moments away from a 4-1 battering at home v huns, draw away to united lucky to get anything due to dodgy penalty decision and he thinks it's 'brilliant'.
I'm away to lie down, * * he's a *!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Lads, Lads... Calm Doon!! Calm Doon!!

This argument, and i suppose as is this comment, is older than water!! But i think i'll put my thoughts into the argument for, well, for aguments sake i guess!!??

My 100% honest opinion -

WGS took over a team that were older and has seen better days. Since then, in the last 3 seasons we have seen him bring in and try some new things (granted with even OLDER players and to an extent Worse players than previous years!)

3 years on we have 3 consecutive League Titles, and in no season was it plain sailing. I would argue that in at least 1 spell of each of these seasons it should well have been plain sailing but we made it difficult for ourselves, and stumbled over the obstacles in our way.
However, unlike others, we got over these obstacles.
So tell me, isnt this testiment to WGS as a manager rather that a further insert into the old and VERY boring 'Get Gordon Out' petition??

It seems to be a case of 'Sing wen your winning' at Celtic Park at the minute and to be honest im not really liking it! Of course I love success at Celtic, but let's face it, we play football and that's what foot ball does to us. The twats that are calling for his head are starting to bore the f*ck outta me!!!

OK, so nothing i've said so far is nothing you didnt already (i'm on a drunken rant ere just i apoligise!!)

Gordon Strachan - at the start i seen you as a business man and a Club man but not as our Manager! things have changed, and in many pubs around my area i've had to eat my words and swallow he fact that WGS... well he's doing the job we hired him for so lay off his back!!

PS - He's no Jock but records show next best thing!?!?

 

I think what gets peoples back up is the fact the "three in a row" argument gets brought out as soon as anyone criticises WGS. Lets look at it another way;

I set up a league and all teams are equal, after a while two break away. Then one team becomes poor due to bad team, debt etc and the other is ok but is full of old players and the manager leaves.

At this point a new manager comes in and manages to sign a few players and win three league titles in a row plus european titles. He has only done this though due to the other teams being poor.

Sound familiar???

You seen the thing I cannot fathom is almost everyone is happy to revel in the fact that the Huns have had very poor luck, chances, debt and all the rest of it. There are certain people however that will not under any circumstances acknowledge these facts when others mention this when explaining how WGS might just have won a few things.

You can't have your cake and eat it, either they were a top class team and we beat them or we just happened to be above them due to circumstance.

 

3 in a row.

 

5 times done the trick, that's not luck.

 

What's the flaming point? Honestly........ sad thing is every one of us will be * off when we are crying into our pints when that little ginger * gets found out. Im afraid at that point jokes about yoghurts going out of date and that other comedian Lawell talking about the CL will not cut the mustard.

 

When he gets "found out" he'll be fired.

 

Thats the whole point though, at this moment in time he has not been 'found out" as such because he is delivering "results" with mediocre players against lesser teams. When he does get "found out" the cries of three in a row will ring out in an attempt to vindicate him.

The guy is not up to scratch if he was he would have signed better, played better and overall scared the "others" beyond belief.

 

He's not been found out because there is nothing to find but trophies.

Newsflash: we operate within the same limitations as the orcs. You can't claim they got unlucky on everything and we just got lucky.
Just like you say, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

We're almost out of debt, they're mired in it.
They haven't had enough depth to handle several campaigns, we have.
They couldn't qualify for CL yet alone UEFA, we have.
We've won 3 in a row and twice to last16, they penalty'd their way to the UEFA final just to get pumped by a Russian side just a day trip away from home.

But it's all because the entire SPL is complete *, Rangers are complete *, and we're complete *... wait, if we're complete * why'd we win again? Oh right, no matter how * we are -- the SPL must be worse *.

Love the results in quotes. Are you planning to hand them the titles and apologize to the orcs once you get your way and Gordon is gone?

 

That's all very well Colin but WGS is not Celtic minded

He's just a manager that normally beats the best team in europe whithout spending money. If you ask me he's up there with all the legends the club has ever had. The fact that the football club in itself is the richest club in Scotland for the first time in my lifetime is all down to WGS. Forget the CL like the board did. It's all about 10 in a row now

 

McNaka - Think outside the box for a minute.

Nobody and I mean nobody wants to see Celtic loose or be beaten by that other shower. I do not think that is in contention or up for debate. It is not a case of lets start a hate campaign to rid the club of WGS far from it. Most people are making observations based on what they see.

So what do they see? Well as you say the see results and trophies not least the last sixteen of the CL. Not bad eh?

The reason I put "results" in quotations is the fact that we have gained these results over the last three seasons in circumstances not seen in the SPL for some time. Hearts on the up and the "others" on the way down. That is what people are failing to notice. If Celtic were suddenly relegated into Div one due to some strange situation and they won the Div one league title would everyone be over the moon? Yes because we won, however the shine is well and truly off things when you consider the facts.

Look nobody wants to see a full scale revolt and the ousting of a manger, nor do they want to see a lack of results. All the want is for issues to be addressed and aspirations actually achieved instead of an empty promise.

WGS has come in and cut wages = good
Got rid of dead wood = good
Won three in a row = good
Last 16 of CL = good

However what about the dross he brought in? What about the alienation of players? Lack of transfers to fix problem positions? Lack of transfers to get beyond the last 16, which the board stated would happen?

None of it never happened and lets be honest once things return to normal over at Castle Greyskull we could well and truly be up the proverbial without a paddle and thats not including the Ocean that is the CL.

 

WGS has done wonders for this club!

 

Good post mate

Some folk are just happy to stand still, they are not interested in improving. For me that mindset from the fans, is allowing our club to take liberties. We are now seeing a complacent Celtic, as if the fans are happy then why be anymore ambitious? This way of thinking is dangerous IMO, as we will eventually be overtaken. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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As I said earlier for whatever reason, be it tactics or simply mediocre players´etc etc. either way it’s ultimately the managers responsibility to improve us. For me he is not doing this and although I think it would be grossly unfair to remove WGS from his job (I am not advocating that he should) I do believe though that if Celtic have a true desire to improve/advance then it needs a change of manager to achieve our ambitions.<o></o>
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Strong last paragraph there ellboy drop your kegs the now ,you * is going to get kicked in a minute i fear