Sion appeal

This is really what it comes down to in my opinion. You might think by our own standards Celtic arent very good and dont deserve to go through if they cannot beat a mid table Swiss team. I wouldnt disagree. We cant even say we would have gone through had they not broken the rules. But you cant allow teams to break rules just because they got a good result after they broke them. Otherwise what is the point in setting them in the first place.

It is however harsh when it seems to come down to a technicality and also it seems there has been confusion regarding the articulation of the rules.

I think it would be a farce to be told we are now in then be told we are out. But that aside whatever decision is made I feel relaxed about. We had it in our own hands to beat them and instead we have to go through the courts. If we win good. If we dont, I will not complain

 

It's hardly a technicality. It's not even like it was one player it was 5, one of which scored 2 goals. They were clearly told in the run up to the game to not play them.

The fact Celtic this evening have posted ticket prices and have the fixtures on their site now tells you much more than a mad chairman who like Hammer says is full of his own self importance.

 

no they didnt.the played players that were not supposed to play in the 1st place fact.if they were allowed? then yes then that would have been fair.

 

Think the bottom line is this. Although a Swiss Civil Court ruling allowed Sion to field these players in domestic competition, they were forewarned by UEFA not to use them in the matches with Celtic. Those that take part in UEFA competitions are there by invitation from UEFA, not by 'right' & to compete in a UEFA endorsed competition, all clubs have to agree IN WRITING that they are doing so under UEFA & CAS jurisdiction and to abide by their rulings.

Long story short - Celtic will be in Madrid next week.

 

Just because a mad chairmen is spouting complete * day in day out people think sion will win the appeal, doubtful, he is more likely to get himself into major trouble than winning any kind of appeal apart from a diddy court in switzerland.

 

me nah only huns are that,maybe u are anyway sion knew there players couldnt play,only one outcome bye bye fc sion and most of there fans i talked to on the xbox knew all of this before the parkhead game so a....../....

SION OUT CELTIC IN:veryhappy::veryhappy:

 

Celtic are through boys. I've read a lot of media on this and I have seen time and time again that it will take longer for Sion to get an appeal decision, or court ruling until after the first leg takes place. They don't have the time. There is no way they would pull Celtic out and reinstate Sion after a game has already been played.

Stop stressing everyone. We are DEFFINATELY through. Guaranteed 100%

The plaintiff might well have a case to argue, but that takes time. Time must also be given to the defendant to prepare to argue their case, which also takes up more time.

Book yer flights, buy yer tickets and get the factor 50 oot!

 

They have acted and they made there decision that Sion did wrong and Celtic went through .

Like everything else when decisions are made ,you are allowed the right to appeal which Sion done today ,so UEFA will look to see what they have to offer and they will make another decision,,Personally when UEFA make a decision i can't recall them ever going against it but they will follow the procedure of there appeal and make a quick decision to get this competiton on the go.

 

and so will i yehaaa

kayal passes the ball out wide to paddy mccourt who beats 3 madrid players passes to bangura and bang for bangura goallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll A. Madrid 0 celtic 1 and theres only 3 mins left,wow "what un upset that would be at full-time"

it will happen:icon_mrgreenYes I'm drinking again!!!)

 

The game should not have been allowed to start. The referee should check if all players for both teams are elegible to play, and if not, he simply does not blow the whistle for kick off and the accused team forfeit the match 3-0. Same would go for both legs.

Would have saved a whole lot of bother.

 

This is getting beyond * stupid now and * Constantin is grabbing at straws.

UEFA & FIFA both said that a Civil Court cannot rule in football matters in cases like this especially when it comes to playing in EUROPE. Possibly with local football in Switzerland but not in a European competition. As far as I remember as well CAS, FIFA & UEFA all told Sion they couldn't field the ineligible players in the Europa Cup but they went ahead and done it anyway regardless of the rules and what Sion believed. Also, if UEFA were to have their decision overruled just because Sion & UEFA are both based in Switzerland then what will happen to a team that fields ineligible players from Germany, France or even Scotland? Will it be upheld just because UEFA are not based in any of those countries? Bullshite!!

If there was an on going dispute regarding these players between Sion and UEFA/FIFA/CAS and it wasn't clarified at the time if they could have played or not the simple answer is DO NOT PLAY THEM! You don't go against what UEFA & FIFA say and play the players anyway no matter what you believe because if you do then messes like this happen. Don't play the players but still fight the issue anyway and that way you don't risk any punishment by fielding the players. Sion went against against the original ruling (well, that egotistical maniac Constantin went against it) and are now suffering the consequences.

Do people really think that when UEFA announced that there will be a meeting about this (but not confirmed at that time) a week past Friday saying that the matter will be looked into, then coming out last Tuesday to say that there will be a meeting set on Friday of that week, they wouldn't have used that time to look into the case? It's not like UEFA came out with this on the original Friday, threw together a last minute meeting and came out within 30 mins to say Sion were out. There was a WEEK between them originally saying that the matter would be looked into and the actual decision being made, so there was PLENTY of time for UEFA/FIFA/CAS to review the situation, look at the different angles of what actually happened and go over the facts of it all.

Constantin is a * MORON and the sooner UEFA/FIFA do something about this * the better because the longer he goes on the more he will bring the game into disrepute because he probably won't stop at this. I wouldn't put it past the * to actually go to Madrid expecting to play and end up fighting THAT case against UEFA.

 

the of sion chairman is defo taking his players to madrid next thursday as he thinks hes still in,more like a mental hame mate,what a chairman he is eh?

uefa TELL THEM TO GTF!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14804557.stm


SION PREPARES ITS TRAVEL TO MADRID [for the opening Europa League group fixture]

 

Aye that's what it is - it's a hatred thing that UEFA have got against Cuntstentin, it's an agenda UEFA have got against them and they are all innocent in all of this

UEFA - "You played ineligible players when you were told NOT to!"
Cuntstenin - "I don't CARE if they were not allowed to play! You don't like me and are just out to get us"

If that's the base of their appeal then we DEFINITELY don't have anything to worry about.

 

i hope that sion do turn up in madrid and get told to * off.

 

I agree with some posters on here about how sion beat us and so on...

But the FACT is they broke the rules. They CHEATED! UEFA made the correct decision. They were asked by UEFA NOT to play these players, but they went ahead anyway and metaphorically stuck 2 fingers up at UEFA.

We were poor over the 2 games and deserve to get beat....they cheated they deserve to be punished. I would rather we were poor than cheats.

 

Bottom line is the UEFA are the governing body of the competition so what they say goes, a national court cannot reinstate a team into something they dont run.

 

This! Also even IF constantin is "right" they are still ineligable until they get the law on their and win the case which they havent yet. they cant just make up rules along the way....

 

La commission de contrôle et de discipline a adressé hier au club valaisan les considérants de la sanction infligée vendredi en fin de journée.

Douze pages d'argumentation, transmises par fax et par mail, ont justifié les forfaits prononcés lors des deux matches disputés en barrages contre le Celtic et synonymes d'élimination de la compétition.

"Les juges ont parlé très vite pour aborder autant de points en trois quarts d'heure de débat", relève Alexandre Zen-Ruffinen, avocat du club valaisan et réceptionnaire de ce copieux courrier. "De plus, le document est rédigé en français. La composition de la commission vendredi (ndlr. un Danois, un Hongrois et un Tchèque) me fait douter qu'ils se soient exprimés dans cette langue. Nous nous retrouvons donc face à un jugement plus ou moins prêt à l'avance. Ils doivent arrêter de souligner l'indépendance de leur commission."

L'homme de loi commente les décisions découvertes au fil des pages. "La commission précise d'entrée que le FC Sion et l'Olympique des Alpes sont une seule et même entité pour eux et elle ajoute que celle-ci est interdite de transfert. Nous contestons ce point depuis longtemps. Une procédure est en cours au Tribunal Arbitral du Sport contre la Swiss Football League pour son refus de qualifier nos joueurs. L'UEFA n'a aucune compétence, ni qualité pour présager de la décision du TAS." Le verdict de l'instance arbitrale n'interviendra pas avant le début de la phase de poules de l'Europa League, le 15 septembre.

"Le deuxième grand point de l'argumentation vise la démarche entreprise par les joueurs devant le tribunal civil pour obtenir leur qualification. Il la déclare contraire au règlement de la FIFA et de l'UEFA. Le fait est que l'UEFA a son siège en Suisse, qu'elle en est soumise au droit national et que le droit suisse autorise un joueur à s'adresser à une juridiction civile pour des mesures provisionnelles. En résumé, le message délivré aux joueurs est le suivant: vous êtes qualifiés puisque vous avez une licence comme tous les joueurs engagés en Europa League, mais nous vous déclarons persona non grata."

Sur la base de ces éléments, Alexandre Zen-Ruffinen et ses collègues du barreau mobilisés pour la cause préparent la riposte. "Nous faisons un premier pas aujourd'hui (ndlr. lundi) avec l'appel auprès de l'organe compétent de l'UEFA. Sans grand espoir au vu de ce que nous avons vécu jusque-là. Nous étudions les démarches possibles auprès des tribunaux civils, elles sont en voie de finalisation." Le club sollicitera les mesures super provisionnelles pour sa réintégration immédiate en compétition. Cette démarche peut s'effectuer en Valais, comme les joueurs pour leur qualification, ou dans le canton de Vaud, siège de l'UEFA. "Nous avons présenté notre liste de joueurs le 8 août, elle n'a pas engendré de réaction. Le Celtic a demandé des renseignements quant à la qualification de nos joueurs le 16, soit la veille du match aller. L'UEFA les a confirmés. Le Celtic dépose protêt le 19, il n'est même pas jugé avant le match retour. Nous aurions pu réagir et renoncer à aligner nos joueurs le 25 si une décision avait été prise." Dans une semaine, la délégation valaisanne est censée s'envoler pour Madrid et y affronter l'Athletico le jeudi 15. "Nous ferons tout pour y être. Cela dépend de la commission d'appel de l'UEFA et des décisions des juges civils." Une possible réintégration du club valaisan bouleversera un calendrier déjà bien compressé. Et si l'UEFA optait pour une poule à cinq avec les aménagements nécessaires? Le retour du FC Sion en Challenge League sur le tapis vert en octobre 2003 avait conduit à un championnat de Challenge League regroupant 17 équipes au lieu des 16 prévues au coup d'envoi de la compétition.