Shame on the SNP

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Public perception. You can sing as much as you want about Irish freedom to a Unionist, but the only result you are going to get is a angry Unionist that sings songs about Orangemen and The Sash in return. All it creates is a * for tat society.

 

The * Hand is at work? :smiley-laughing002:

 

So where just as bad as each other?

 

fek me how did we get from the snp to boys of the old brigade .

 

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In my opinion, the Rangers support is more extreme and unreasonable. That's why the bill seems like a bit of a handicap.

 

You're conflating two very different things.

The Unionist equivalent of Boys of the Old Brigade would be something akin to Rule Britannia, not a song about religious triumphalism.

 

Exactly I don't like like Rule Brittana would i be offended by it never in a million years

 

But where still bad for having political expressions?

did you get offended by all the vote yes posters around Scottish grounds the last few months

 

As I said in another thread, the SNP have played a * blinder with this independence thing. Before the vote we constantly heard how it was "not about the SNP", now after the vote it's all about the SNP.

They basically have the very people they're setting out to criminalise actually grasping for excuses and ways to blame their fellow Celtic fan in a way to justify their new-found love for all things SNP!

This is a party that advocates cutting corporation tax for big business, setting the threshold 3% lower than the current UK Government does, and which also displays astonishing hypocrisy when it comes to nuclear armament. Remember their decision in 2012 to bin their anti-NATO policy, choosing to back the idea that an independent Scotland should become a member of the pro-nuclear weapons organisation?

Do none of you find it hypocritical that a party who wishes to become a member of NATO is also paying lip service to removing trident? Basically, they'll support nuclear armament as long as Scotland doesn't have to host them on our doorstep, right?

There are a lot of people being blinded by the whole independence thing in my opinion. The whole "anyone but Labour" message that people are advocating as a vote for the SNP is no better than the old "vote Labour to keep the Tories out" * we heard for years.

Basically, we've replaced the big baddies (formerly Tory, now Labour), slightly reworded the message (anyone but Labour instead of keep the Tories out) and changed the party that "we have no option but to vote for" from Labour (when a vote for anyone else but Labour was a vote for the Tories, lesser of two evils and so on) to the SNP (we have to keep Labour out, SNP are the only party we really have who can get us what we want etc).

Same *, same grey suits making promises, different coloured rosette.

 

Great post, Dáibhí.

 

For the record, I'm not bashing anyone who is backing the SNP purely for independence reasons, all I'm saying is that it's worth bearing in mind that they do champion other policies that they should face criticism for. The sheer amount of people who are now defending or trying to excuse the football bill is cringeworthy.

Don't sell out your fellow Celtic fans for any political party, no matter who they are and what they promise you.

 

I don't find it hypocritical that the SNP want to adopt the same nuclear stance as the vast majority of other non nuclear NATO members. Neither do I understand why some find the desire to not have the largest stockpile of nuclear arms in Europe close to their countries largest population centre as particularly surprising.

What point are you trying to make about corporation tax?

 

It doesn't just apply to what happens within the ground.

 

Quite easily. As the thread is not the Independence one it is the one about the football Bill

 

Usually, most people who are staunchly anti-Trident are also anti-nuclear altogether. Well, in my experience anyway.

The SNP used to advocate an anti-NATO policy until only a few years ago. They actually went to the trouble of pushing through a pro-nuclear policy, which doesn't sit well with me personally.

I'm just highlighting how hypocritical people can be sometimes. If David Cameron declared that his Government had saw fit to reduce corporation tax by 3% it would no doubt be met with cries of derision and claims of how the 'Tories are always looking out for big business, right?

When the SNP do it we hear about how it's an excellent move to try to encourage businesses into Scotland.

At the end of the day, it's all politics, and it's all wealthy white men in suits looking to grab a slice of power, regardless of what colour the rosette on their chest is.

And like I said, that's fine, if people want to get involved then great, but I just find it a bit sad when I see Celtic fans defending these politicians when they set out to attack their fellow supporters with ridiculous laws.

This reads like a copy & paste from the SNP website for Christ's sake!

I think that Christine Grahame, SNP MSP & Convener of the Scottish Parliament Justice Committee summed it up almost perfectly when she claimed the bill was basically designed to "even things up", hinting that more Catholics need arrested to even things up in society.

She also apparently said in reference to former MSP Mike Rumbles “It’s because he’s a f*cking Catholic” during one rant in her office.

It's perhaps worth pointing out that despite all of this she remains an SNP MSP in good standing.

Would any of you consider voting for her if she was standing in your constituency? After all, it's "anyone except Labour", right?

 

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There's no-one in this thread setting out to attack their fellow supporters. It is merely disagreement. I believe that we shouldn't be singing certain lyrics at a football game, if it can help heal the divide. I also believe that there should be further talks and negotiations regarding the bill as it does need to be amended.

And I can nit pick any political party and pull out their faults. But for the time being, I have no choice but to jump on the SNP bandwagon if that means Scotland can get independence quicker. They've done a decent job. A tactical vote has never been more crucial. I don't have time to wait around, the Tories and the Union in general is ruining my life with their ridiculous immigration laws, you wouldn't understand the * I have to put up with. I'm effectively locked out my own country.

I don't, and never will, defend any politician I am not familiar with. I don't know Christine Grahame, but if those remarks were true, then I am very surprised that she still holds her position.

 

What an ironic username 'saor' and you don't support freedom of expression.

 

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Let's say the bill was amended to only banning references to the IRA or loyalism, whether that be by lyric or song, then would you support it?

 

No.

 

No why should the IRA be banned or Loyalism?