Shake up of the English Leagues: opportunity for us to move in?

* that. I Love the league we are in.


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You think Dermot makes money off us?

 

Because its not competitive and Celtic walk it every season? Where is the challenge?

 

Given how poor they are in Europe then it probably just shows that top English teams arent very good the now either though.

Like I doubt Leicester would have got in the top 4 in Spain or Germany nor would they have won the French or Italian Leagues.

 

* the English leagues.

 

not this again

 

The German, Spanish, French and Italian leagues aren't remotely as competitive as the English league. Most European leagues are 1/2/3 horse races and that allows them to be better prepared and fresher for European games. The English teams competing in Europe face generally tough domestic games every week.

The teams in the bottom half of the Premier League are able to outdo some would consider huge European clubs in the transfer market. Bournemouth for example next season will have a bigger income than Celtic and for most players would be the choice if given the option of the two clubs due to wages available. You don't get that in any of the other European leagues with clubs at the bottom of the league.

 

Again? This is the first time this proposal of 100 clubs in the Football League has been publicly suggested.

Celtic joining may be a common thread, but the Football League so far has made no mention of that with this 100 club, 5 league idea.

 

English Premier League fans change the goal posts so often its embarrassing.

Statistically, it probably works out similar the number of teams to win the main league in the big leagues over the last 16 years. Yet, all we ever hear is that its only the EPL that is competitive, conveniently forgetting all the seasons that Man United have dominated for as long as many can remember. Leicester City is the only surprise of the last 16 years.

This season has well and truly been an anomaly, yet it will be the whitewash that coats the memories of everyone down south. The same teams are regularly challenging for the league title, year in year out. When was the last time West Ham, Southampton, Stoke, Swansea and Everton had a real chance to win the league, when have they been challenging? Tottenham this season only too. :smiley-laughing002:

I seem to have missed the time all the other leagues only played in a league of 3. To say they aren't as competitive or as good is a disservice to all the other teams in Europe. Team for team, I reckon Spain would beat an EPL side, maybe bar the bottom two. Germany I'd stick a lump on too.

Just because they don't hear about them as much, nor watch them or recognise their players, they don't realise how good these teams are.

 

We're not English. If we're going to move to a foreign league we might as well move to La Liga. No point moving to a second rate league.

 

Insular EPL viewpoint. That's staggeringly embarrassing.

All the big leagues have a comparable number of different winners since the turn of the century.

You keep mentioning all these challenges - it's happened this season only, otherwise it has been the same teams all the time.

Spanish teams and German teams play far more tactically and better football than anything British. You're doing a great disservice to them by saying they're poor - you probably don't even watch them. The bottom half games in La Liga have more entertaining games than anything ive seen in Britain (obviously including the SPFL).

It's a cop out to say that youse do poorly in Europe because of your league - so what happens when one you wins the European Cup? Are they just so spectacular that we'll forget the normal moans and groans about the league being tough and draining.

The fact is, youse live in a bubble, watch English football, rarely pay attention to any other leagues and then make vacuous statements with zero evidence. Then use buzz phrases like 'best league in the world', 'most entertaining, 'most competitive'. And if you say it enough you start to buy into it and believe your own hype.

Literally sucking from the nipple of sky.

You're also conflating wealth for ability. Lower Spanish teams, German and such might not be as rich but they produce a far higher standard of player, so therefore they aren't needing to spend large sums. It balances itself out.

 

Next season it wouldn't be a huge shock if any of the following won the Premier League...

Arsenal
Chelsea
Liverpool
Man Utd
Spurs
Man City

Given what Leicester did this season you can't entirely rule out another club like the following doing the same...

Leicester
Southampton
West Ham
Everton

Thats ten clubs. None of the other big European leagues get remotely close to that.

You then have the bottom half teams who all have incomes that allow them to compete with a large number of the traditionally big clubs in European football. As daft as it sounds... Bournemouth for example can out do Celtic for transfer fees and wages.

France - dominated by PSG

Spain - a 3 horse competition

Germany - a 2 horse competition

Holland - a 2/3 horse competition

Portugal - a 3 horse competition

Scotland - a 1 (possibly soon to be 2) horse competition

Most European teams have lower income than all 20 Premier League clubs. Next season with the new TV deal will see the 20 Premier League clubs all in the top 30 biggest income clubs in world football.

Teams in the bottom half of the Premier League can pluck stars out of a large number of top European sides, what other league is there where bottom half sides can do that?

 

True but it hasn't happened yet and I'd bet my bottom dollar the main contenders will be: Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man United if they get another manager. Even then Arsenal will * it up as usual. It's always the same, youse have been saying the same thing for years and bar this season it's always the same teams at the top. It has always been the same teams winning it - and with relative ease, given the points gaps.

Everton, really? I'll believe it when I see it all. As above, it hasn't happened and the same thing has been spouted time and time again, yet it's always the same teams. One seasonal anomaly and yet it is the rule.

Compete to what extent? That they'll not focus on Europe and barely the cup competitions because they're fearful for their place in the EPL, thus losing the golden egg? Being a part of the EPL and finishing 14th or some * is seen as an achievement by loads of fans. And the Bournemouth argument - I've never said anything about that, it's true? I don't doubt that.

Again, you're conflating wealth with talent and ability. These teams might not be as rich but i'd always bet on the foreign team before a comparable placed British team. Spunking absurd amounts on some dross within a bubble market doesn't make you bigger and better than a comparable based team abroad.

Also, whilst it is true many of these leagues have two or three potential winners, in reality when push comes to shove and the dust settles - so does the EPL. Everyone season has seen the same teams again and again. The points margins have always been much farther and in any one season its always between 2-3 teams.

But i'll give you that it does change between those two to three - ish.

 

Yes yes yes

 

Even if you had to start in the bottom tier?

It would be unfair on all the other English & Welsh clubs for Celtic and/or Rangers to be parachuted into the Premier League and not have to earn their way up through the leagues.

 

Whatever..

 

Its not YOU it is us or we. *