Russell Brand

He may or may not be guilty of rape. But he's most definitely a bit of a creepy, sleazy *. That clip doing the rounds of him, Noel Fielding and Jonathan Ross "joking" about rape is * grim.

 

WTAF.

There is no grey area ramming your * down the throat of someone that is choking and fighting you off.

What you're saying is normal and defending isn't technically rape. It's undeniably rape. Have a serious look at yourself.

 

I can see this thread is gonna get messy. It was like the one about David Goodwillie a couple of months back that ended up getting taken down cause people were arguing (me included) and it was such a dodgy subject.

Yeah this one is also equally as dodgy. Hopefully everyone will agree on the fact that accusations....are just that...... accusations. And that even although he's a creepy ex junky * of a person.....he cant be branded as a rapist until, and IF he is proven to be such in a court of law. Guilt or innocence in civil cases are not actual guilt or innocence. If there was enough guilt then he would be tried and convicted in a court of law and there would be no debating left to do. So....we'll see what happens

 

I think it is a grey area.

If someone's blowing you, you push it farther in, they gag and signal for you to stop, and you do stop, I seriously doubt that would be legally classed as rape. If you kept going, sure, that's rape. But the story I heard was that she gave him a whack and he stopped.

I don't think that goes to court, it literally happens all the time everywhere. Let's not pretend otherwise.

 

You have to ask how he got his * in her mouth to begin with..not easy unless she consents .
Of course she is able to change her mind ..she probably should have bit the *.

 

Not sure you’re doing yourself any favours with some of these posts mate. Really not convinced that this type of behaviour is as common as you’re suggesting.

 

Yep this is where it gets complicated. If that scenario is allowed to happen and if the person isnt tied up and held at gunpoint and forced to do the act.....then it would lead you to believe that consent was given somewhere along the line. Yes consent can be withdrawn and at which point the act should stop. But it would seriously make you wonder what the actual truth is, and the therefor the credibility of the accusations....when it is taken into consideration that this scenario was allowed to happen in the first place.

 

I think couples disagreeing about what they want during * is pretty common. Someone tries something new and the other person either goes along with it or goes woah, woah, cut it out. I know it might make me look like I'm defending * behaviour, but what I'm trying to say is that - right or wrong - it's probably not illegal, or at least not serious enough to go to court. Like that's the bottom line, there's no criminal case if that's the extent of it.

 

I just think when you take into account that we’re talking about a 30 year old man and a 16 year old girl who alleges she had to punch him in the stomach to get him to stop its indefensible. I get what you’re saying about actual criminal behaviour but it’s still disgusting.
He also joked about running mascara in one of his shows- the guys lucky to have got away with this type of behaviour for so long imo.

 

I would imagine the Danny Masterson case in the USA will give those accusing him over there good precedent to go to a criminal conviction.

But either way, I'm sorry but your posts are extremely problematic and just goes to show why many a women will likely never come forward with the crimes committed against. Because posts like yours are more common than that of the acts you try and suggest occur.

 

A guy who has pumped thousands of women, and less than a handful have NOW appeared on a TV expose claiming non-consensual stuff happened years ago.

Ok...

 

Tell me you have never gotten a * without telling me you have never gotten a *

 

I don't know the ins and outs of the case you're referring to, but I think the original claim of rape made in California has the best chance at a criminal case. I don't know what the statute of limitations is there but as a fairly progressive state and it seems as though what she's describing is actually rape rather than just immoral behaviour.

As to my attitude, I'm just being realistic. If what I'm saying is problematic, then everyday sexual behaviour is problematic, which is another debate altogether.

 

Why is the UK government reaching out to Rumble to try and get Russell Brand demonetized?

That doesn't seem like standard procedure, does it?

 

It's one MP reaching out personally. To suggest it's the UK government is massive exaggeration.

Look at most of the recent allegations against famous people. They've all been removed or withdrawn from the public eye. It's not unusual.

Russell Brand is trying to whip up a frenzy and get all the paranoid conspiracy theorists on his side. Maybe rather than trying to brainwash people it would be better if he kept a lower profile and didn't try to disrupt the investigation?

 

Can’t stand him but either the accusers are named or his identity should never have been released until he is either exonerated or found guilty in court.

 

Hang this scummy *. And any * trying to defend him.

 

This is an acceptable idea in my opinion. (I am talking about the 2 year rule suggestion that you replied to)

Some women would disagree with it though....cause it was dis-empower 18 year old blonde gold diggers from * and marrying a multi-millionaire in his 70s.

I would agree with the theory that you just put forward though. It make sense. But it would still have the problem of whether the rapist 'knew' that the person was for example - 16....if the rapist was told by that person that they're age was also 19 and the same age as them then it still poses a problem if it turns out they were actually 16

 

Indeed, Julian Assange would agree - déjà vu

Never underestimate the depths establishment will sink to in order to silence political opposition

 

Historically women and girls put up and shut up about such things because they felt shame, that no one would believe them and that it would do THEM more harm than good to speak up about such things. They lived with the knowledge of what happened and that didn't always turn out well.

I can only go back to my day when a girl was totally crucified for putting it out as we called it back then. More often than not it was just a rumour or some lad trying to big it up with his pals saying he had her. Before you know it the girl was a "COW" which, was believe it or not, the worst thing a girl could be called! If she got pregnant......dear * the sky fell in! All the good girls distanced themselves because their mother told them too! It wasn't acknowledged then like it is now that most women have had an incident in their lives where someone has made them feel very uncomfortable or someone has tried or has taken liberties without consent.

We live in a different world now and time's are certainly changing. Women and girls are sticking up for themselves now and things like social media and the "me too" movement are educating them and giving them the courage to speak out. Our mothers and grandmothers, of my generation, were marginalized in society into specific roles...mere chattels of men. They traditionally kept the house, raised the kids and got on their back when it was expected of them. They didn't have the same support systems. Thankfully society has become more enlightened and women more emancipated. We are learning not to just live with things, that it's not good in the long run for our mental health. Many marginalized groups in society have become emancipated in the same way i.e. the gay community. The washing away of all the self hatred and shame. Emerging into people who feel that they have a voice.

This is the paradox of social media being an good and bad thing all at once. Without social media we wouldn't have so much exposure to pornographic material and the wider discussion. Youngsters think that everyone is engaging in the type of things that they're reading and seeing. In reality that's not the case because if it were we would all be living in Sodom an Gomorrah Most of us aren't sexual deviants