Punishing The Players

Nothing is ever that simple. Having a "if you're not with us, you're against us" attitude starts arguments. It's a bit pointless having a poll that is effectively a witchhunt against those with an opinion that differs from the majority.

 

It is that simple. All I was looking for was to see who supports our manager and our board. Because in all honesty there is really no reason not to. Lawell and Strachan have been immensely successful over the last few years and conducted themselves well. Lawell has been praised here by the masses for the great work he has done while at Celtic. So if folk won't trust these guys to deal with an internal matter properly then I want to know who they are and more to the point why?

 

Players should be punished if they break the rules. if it's a personal power game between the manager and a player, I'd punish the manager.

 

This is a clear statement of intent from Strachan - * with me and there's only going to be one winner.

Guys like Bobby Lennox, Billy McNeil, Paul Mcstay, Danny McGrain, Henrik Larsson, Celtic legends. They just got the head down and got on with the job. True professionals.

Do people think that Jock Stein would have taken any petulance from a player such as McGeady? He would have done the exact same thing as Strachan.

 

no.

not playing our best players puts us at risk of losing points. thats punishing us, the fans.

 

I think they were right to punish him. Did it merit such a hefty punishment? Only they know.

 

The trouble with a one party being dominant (Strachan) and the other being technically submissive (McGeady) is that there is no chance of latter party winning. He'd be deemed wrong, even if he was right. I voted for Strachan, but I don't believe that those who opted for McGeady are automatically wrong, even if it contradicts my view. To the best of my knowledge (and everyone else's), Strachan apparently went off on one at McGeady, McGeady answered back and was fined and banned for two weeks. Now, as a result of this, we will be without arguably our most talented player against our nearest rivals and nearest challengers to the title. If the purpose of the club is to win games, does this not appear to be more of vindictive move, rather than a measured decision that balances a fair punishment out with what is best for the progress of the team? A fine by itself would be more appropriate than putting into motion something that could possibly have a detrimental effect on the progress of the team. As you can see, while I voted for Strachan, I did so with reservations. I think it's possible that those who voted for McGeady could have done so with reservations too.

 

110 per cent behind Gordon Strachan and the Board
McGeady is bang out of order

 

Also, if you would like to check, I've was one of the most vocal supporters of Strachan this time last year, when he was getting it in the neck from most sides. It was one of the main reasons I joined this forum (that and the chance for a good debate ).

 

With it being kept internal what actually happened, we can only guess as to the severity of the offense. That means we can't really speculate on the severity of the punishment. We then ask ourselves if we trust the guys making the decision, seems 30% or so dont. That is all this poll is asking.

McGeady has been off form and has had his troubles off the field too. Add this to whatever went on in this situation then ask yourself if you think he would be in the right mindset to wear the jersey at Ibrox. Could our manager rely on him in our biggest game of the year?

 

Again, I remind you that I actually back Strachan in the matter. My problem is more that those who voted otherwise were being singled out and criticised. It seems as though some people find it inconcievable that others might actually think that the manager and the club are in the wrong in this situation.

 

i voted for mcgeady from what ive heard and read on threads here he was blamed for saturdays result and lost his cool if its over something else and he was out of order then he should be punished and for the people who called me and those who sided with mcgeady cowards r we not intitled 2 our say seems not by some people on here

 

I called the no voters cowards because they werent posting their opinion until I pointed it out and alot of them still havent.

I didnt say that you werent entitled to your opinion but you are basing it on hearsay

 

I find it * crazy that it looks as if 30% of our support have no faith in our management and board. They have done nothing to be doubted and if anyone can post anything to the contrary then I'm all ears.

You have a problem with the people who voted this way being singled out and criticised?
Why the * are they singling out and criticising our 3 time league winning manager and making false accusations about his intentions?

That worry's me and I needed the poll to show me just how many are of this mindset.

 

Well, you started the thread, so you must have had an inkling that not everyone was going to be 100% with the board's decision. I mean, you can't be that surprised, or you wouldn't an have put an alternative in as an option. I back the board, but I don't agree with everything they do. I back the manager, but I also wonder about a lot of his decisions. I think the nature of McGeady's punishment is totally detrimental to the club. He's being ridiculed in public for something that should have remained in-house. I can understand that Strachan may have been forced to make this decision, but I would also tender that he is not totally absolved from blame. If there has been (as has been claimed) previous incidents, then it would've been better if a stern punishment was metted out, which didn't need the eyes of the world witnessing it.

 

Just to be 100 per cent clear i back Aiden mCgeady. I admit there is an ulterior motive. First off, as stated on other threads this evening, i believe - and it is all guesswork at this stage - that Aiden acted out of a sense of loyalty to the club. He challenged Stachan ref team selection at Easter RD. and more widely on his tactical knowledge and ability to manage CELTIC F C. I must admit i share his fears. Granted, this is selective snippet from various reports.But to to sit back and accept what you regard as incompetence at the club you dream of, play for and love would be a greater crime? What had he to gain? A move to England or abroad? The wee man is not stupid and knows another few seasons at paradise are required for fine tuning before that should happen. If i am wrong at least he has opened up what i believe will be the final debate regarding Strachans tenure at Paradise. The fact that Strachan could not man-manage this disagreement and keep it out of the public light prior to a critical run of fixtures speaks volumes for me. Thanks for the memories Gordon......... blackburn or Sunderland await. Let the debate begin!

 

I was looking to put a figure on it and it seems I've got it or there about.
We have yet to see the effect this punishment will have on all parties involved so we will need to wait and see. And to say it would have been better that the world didn't see is another assumption. Celtic knew what they were doing when they issued this and no doubt they feel that they have acted properly. We will need to wait further developments without all the speculation.

Says it all, guesswork

 

i take it you weren't laughing at rangers with the whole le guen/ferguson thing then?

you think its acceptable for a player to stand up in the dressing room and tell the manager in front of the rest of the team who isn't good enough to be in the job? especially on the back of the performance mcgeady put in on saturday, which while not any worse than anyone else didn't exactly exempt him from criticism. (particularly if the player of the year, walk in to any team in britain comments are true - surely not but you never know he is an arrogant wee *)

the manager must be the most powerful man on the football side of any club or he needs replaced, people voting in mcgeadys favour on this poll in my opinion are basically just saying,again, that the man who came in and won three titles on the bounce, a couple of cups and took us beyond the group stages in the champions league for the first two times isn't the right man for the job

 

I just voted in favour of mcgeady as i think the timing of the sanctioning of his suspension is a very poor decision.

why?

ehh the biggest game of the season is just round the corner and we need our best players.

our midfield is thread bare and even if we have some back from injury in time are they going to be fit?

i also feel mcgeady could have been jolted into form,trying to prove his worth to the team.

i also think the problem is deeper than the mcgeady wgs saga and this story has unfolded to hide the deeper picture.