Pro-Rebel song singing/Anti-Rebel song singing

As an Irish Republican & Celtic fan & Rebel music fan, I have to say I'm not a big fan of rebel songs been sang at games. There's time for Rebel Songs and its not at the games. We have fans & players of all backgrounds, as pointed out by a previous post Hooper, ect.

Why bring Political songs into a sporting context? As looking from another fans point of view, I wouldn't want to listen to songs about the Emirpre or British army at a game. Also we above the huns in this respect. And also thats way the fecking poppy shouldn't be on the Hoops, but thats another argument!

Sure there's plenty of time in the pubs for the ballads.

 

People justify their singing of pro-IRA/"Up the 'RA" chants, to celebrate the "freedom fighters" that were against British-rule of Ireland. However, most people perceive this as supporting the terrorist IRA that kill innocent people through car-bombs. This just results in Celtic getting bad press, and puts people off supporting Celtic. People also take offence to these Rebel songs, which goes against Celtic's philosophy of being "open to all creeds, races etc.".
Everyone can appreciate Celtic's Irish roots and history, but it would take a great deal of convincing to get people to accept the "IRA freedom fighter" story.

 

The most prominent / important role at the club is the supporters, and Im

sorry to burst your bubble, but the vast majority of our support do not

travel from Ireland.

Irish

 

He didnt say that you obviously just made that up.

 

Are you aware of the journey from Ireland to Glasgow? How many Scottish supporters made the trip over here to the Super Cup (nowhere near the Irish numbers which religiously get bused and boated to Glasgow on a weekly basis)?

 

Don't talk rubbish. Trying to equate are songs with their is pathetic. The songs we sing aren't discriminating against anyone. Unlike the bile that the racist and sectarian Rangers fans sing every week.

I feel ashamed of fans that basically say we are all as bad as each other. When we clearly aren't.

 

I might not agree with Dion on most things but you are clearly putting words into his mouth.

 

Well that would be a very uneducated perception to have and I refuse to bow to people who are ignorant to history. Just because they are uneducated on something that seems foreign to them. They shouldn't have a * given right to silence everyone.

 

think you might want a wee read of the Terrorism Act 2006 mate.

 

I read it and it doesn't say I can't sing about the IRA.

The Volunteers and The Old IRA. Were certainly not terrorist maybe think might want to have a wee read of a history book.

I doubt I would be able to purchase such songs if they were illegal.

 

This I assume is the part you are looking at. I guess the Queen will be jailed then. The Volunteers and The Old IRA were not terrorist.

 

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And many U2 and Oasis songs

Yet I don’t hear anyone going on about banning theses songs.

Ah, but these song don’t offend anyone I here people say.

I could go around almost every ground in the world and I will hear offensive songs being sang from the terraces about this that and the other and you wouldn’t here anything about it in the morning. Yet because we are told our rebel songs are offensive it is causing conflict amongst us.

We are the underdog, the repressed. Many have been labelled because their school started with a ST. Now it seems that many of our own supporters feel it is time to move on.

For me, The Celtic I fell in love with wasn’t the won that was winning trophies or buying the best players, it was the fact for how they came about and why they felt the need help the poor around them when no one else would.

Just one last thing I am curious about…..

Are people scared that we will be reprimanded if we continue, so effectively want to put a stop to it before a punishment is put upon us?

Or….

Have people actually change and think the time has come to forget about who we where and think about who we can become?

 

Time to move on as football is changing, The Huns are really under pressure right now because of their sectarian songs. If we continue to chant Pro-Ira songs and rebel songs were letting them of the hook, surely we have more than enough of Celtic football songs and chants for matches.

 

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I am extremely proud of our Irish history, just because I don't join in with the IRA chants doesn't mean I'm ashamed of our Irish roots, it's just that some things I don't think are appropriate at the games if we really are a club open to all.<o></o>
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Some of our own fans have been affected by terrorist acts carried out by Republicans, is it not an affront to them to hear these chants?<o></o>
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People are saying we shouldn't have the poppy on our shirt because of what the British Army represents and what they have done in NI, so why then is it acceptable to sing about an organisation that has committed atrocities as well? Is it OK to ignore people who have been adversely affected by the IRA because they are a minority in our support?<o></o>
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I know plenty of fans with no connection to Ireland at all and people with a strong connection to Ireland who don't join in with the IRA chants and would rather they weren't sung at all but they aren't going to cause a confrontation over it.<o></o>
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Being proud of our Irish history, acknowledging our Irish history is not diminished by not wanting IRA chants sang at the football.

 

Spot on with that post. Very well said.

 

The day I tell fellow Celts to sing and to what not to sing is the day you can call me mein Führer.

 

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I'm not for all the add-on’s to a song either, but I do feel there is no problem with singing BOTOB and like wise, just like everyone likes to sing "I just can't get enough" both have nothing to do with football, yet one is ok and the other isn’t.

It is just a shame that you have only quoted me from a small part of my post, especially when it is part of asking a leading question (not my opinion).

I have to agree that I wasn't transparent in my post to what extent I agreed with.
The thread did only talk about the songs in general and not the add-on’s to be fair. Besides I am sure the poll would be a lot different if it was about the add-on’s ' up the ra' and what not.

Obviously there are many songs that have too strong of a political meaning that came with the trouble not long past such as ‘go on home British soldiers’ then we have Joe McDonald of similar times yet surely couldn’t be classed as the same.

Losing them all just the appease the hierarchy would be as bad as given in when they wanted to stop us flying the Tricolour in the 50’s.

If we want to be politically correct, we should police it ourselves. Get it out there what is acceptable and what is not. Maybe then everyone knows where they stand and the problem will go away.

 

I think this hiding behind "we're singing about the old IRA" is pretty transparent and frankly a load of balls. It's well known that on occasion the Celtic fans chant "P I, P I, PIRA" and sing songs like "There's only one Neil Lennon................like me and you, he's a Provo too"

So it's complete bollocks to try and paint the picture that it's only the "old IRA" that Celtic fans sing about. If you're going to sing about the Provos then at least be big enough to admit that you're doing it.

 

I only quoted that part because that was the part I was answering.

The problem I see is that some people tend not to make any distinction between a rebel song and the add ons (I mean both those against and those for)

To me it's not a simple question of banning all republican songs or not, I don't think that's the right way to go and I don't think it's workable anyway. However, what annoys me is when people suggest that if you aren't for the Republican songs then either you are ignorant of them, you don't know your history, you want to diminish Celtic's Irish roots or your opinion doesn't count because you don't go to every game when clearly none of that is true.

I voted against because there are elements and particular songs that I'm against being sung, it's nothing to do with thinking they are sectarian, as they are not, it's nothing to do with caving in to the powers who be either, it's simply because I think there are some things we should step away from.

The difference between IJCE and rebel songs to me is that as can be seen from the numerous threads on here alone the rebel songs divide our own support, to me it's nothing to do with them not being about football to me it comes down to what unites us. Things like IJCE has united the fans, of course you get those that don't like it but overall it has united us more than divided us. The only concern I have is that of fellow fans, not the press or those in control and from what I've seen at games there are a lot of fans who don't join in with these songs, but join in with other songs, so in a time when we as a support need to be united more than every I'd rather we concentrate on things that unite us, we all only have one thing in common, a love of Celtic.

We can be divided on religion, politics, social standing, etc but Celtic is the one thing that we all love.

 

I'll drink to that