Pro-Rebel song singing/Anti-Rebel song singing

That's what I feel as well mate.

For someone to offend me they would have to say something pretty nasty about me or my family.

 

You can't turn on the television without being offended. You can't pick up a newspaper without being offended. You can't browse the web without being offended. You can't walk outside the door without being offended. Why don't we BAN all of those things.

Grow the f*ck up people. Let the people sing.

 

You probably didn't attend many away games then.

 

They sure do.:icon_mrgreen:

 

Letting people sing whatever they want would be all fine and well if it had no effect on what happens outside the stadium. In the case of Celtic and Rangers that is patently not the case.

Some of the songs that are sung, on both sides might I add, only help to stoke up the level of hatred that is felt on an Old Firm day. Once people feel that hatred running through their veins they then go out on to the streets and commit acts of violence.

It's just not realistic to say that some of the songs that get sung, particularly when you're talking about and Old Firm scenario, are not a contributory factor in the violence that often occurs in the aftermath of a football match. So letting people sing what they want is not an acceptable course of action imo.

 

why doesnt racisim get tackled this way through out the world and what gets sang at grounds! to me you mentin 3 letters(ira) straight away yer deemed a * by folk who dont like hearing this but its ok for papers ato talk about and acuse peopel of singing them when they arent ,and also double standards from council cheifs and police who let the ow go past our way while we are playing!" where is * eck on this?

 

I'm not sure what songs you mean as I only know a dew Celtic songs but you should sing songs that are proud of your Irish heritage.

 

In general they are acceptable, but it depends on the individual song.

BOTOB is acceptable to me, as its lyrics don't contain any hatred, and don't encourage violence.

But if we had a song about being up to our knees in Protestant blood, for example, I would find that unacceptable.

Equally there are non-rebel songs which I don't find acceptable - I dislike roamin in the gloamin for example, wouldn't miss that.

 

I totally agree with this.

It is completely unacceptable to demonise people for singing about the IRA while at the same time allowing Orange walks to continue. Orange walks are a far bigger source of sectarian tension in this country than any song that gets sung at a football match.

The government should be banning these walks/marches before they even think about tackling what is sung at the football.

 

Its songs about Irish heroes that fought in The Easter Rising and The Irish War Of Idependance.

http://www.easter1916.net/
http://homepage.eircom.net/~tipperaryfame/independ.htm

Some songs refer to more modern events like the 1981 hunger strike.

None of the songs we sing about these events are racist or sectarian.

 

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I’m also not entirely comfortable with songs such as Go on Home which is clearly antagonistic because of the overt aggression in the lyrics. Therefore, I would oppose it.

However, I have no objection to songs like Boys of the Old Brigade, Sean South, Broad Black Brimmer, Roll of Honour etc.

These are merely historical ballads which lament Ireland’s struggle for freedom. There is no offensive or inflammatory language used, nor is there any targeting of a specific sect of people.

They are not sectarian, racist, bigoted, or offensive. Indeed, one has to ask why it is only Irish rebel songs that are incorrectly deemed inappropriate, yet songs which glorify British Loyalism are considered admissible.

Until that balance is readdressed, then this can be construed as nothing more than a pitiful witch-hunt which only intends to apportion equivalence between the two clubs.

 

I don't care what argument the pro-rebel songs supporters say. They are lying about it. The IRA, as a militarized vehicle for the liberation of an occupied section of their state by a foreign army is dead. That war is over. They very songs they sing are in direct conflict with the reigning leaders current vision of peace, disarmament and political representation. The IRA and Ireland you sing of no longer exists. The remnants have moved on and no longer harbour the ideals upon violent struggle in Ireland. People are trying to move on and build a new future. Some want to live in the past because it feels safe to know who to hate and who to like.

The people who are still doing it, are doing it simply because it is contentious and antagonistic. Grow up, move on or the rest of the support, the club, the police and the government will force it out for you.

It is embarrassing.

 

Stop talking rubbish we will not be forced out.

By your standards songs like The Flower Of Scotland and the French national anthen should be stopped. Get a grip.

 

Aw ffs naw this again same old arguments as last weeks... boring

 

lets just move on and accept that the club no longer want this kind of stuff at CP or any away grounds. theres loads of great celtic songs to sing instead

 

I was thinking that too.

 

Fed up with all the controversy surrounding this whole scenario.. I personally love all the songs and play them in the house, the car etc all the time, but surely to * we can all see that its going to get us in bother somewhere down the line..the mere fact that no one on here can agree what is accaptable or not tells its own story imo...

 

we shouldnt be singing about the IRA with rifles and grenades, sorry

 

Ask yourself what would * do....?

Bitterness & hatred is bad news. We will always keep our Irish heritage at Celtic, but keep "all" politics out of football.

Dividing the fans for the sake of your own political orientation makes us look like a disfunctional familly. We cannot isolate a new generation of football fans who have very little interest in politics, race or religious background.

Celtic first, Celtic last & Celtic over all.

 

Why exactly not. At least have the courtesy to explain your argument please. Other than we we just shouldn't.