Poppy Thread.

What was the message in relation to the poppy?

I just heard * folk singing tired IRA hymns.

 

Glorification of IRA in this, somewhat lighthearted tone is hypocritical because British Army has blood on their hands, but IRA's deeds are overlooked. They too are responsible for deaths of numerous civilians.

And also, this pish about Easter Rising and RA in the 20s is ridiculous, it's not only them who get mentioned in songs.

That doesn't have anything to do with Celtic, but hey, if you know your history...

 

"You can stick your *' poppy up yer *" in retaliation to a banner that the wee huns held up.

 

Mental

 

Exactly the formation of celtic was celebrated by Brother walfrids independent * bodygaurds firing rifles in the air.

 

The singing of * Save Ireland to be precise

 

see lennon wearing a poppy tonight.this is nothing to do with world war 1 and 2 its about what they are doing in iraq now and the 6 counties.i will never forgive lennon
for the actions he did tonight in supporting the british army.i hope lennon is proud of
what he did.will he wear a easter lilly to remember irelands dead will * he will.

 

You do realize that it's highly hypocritical to glorify IRA and say British Army has blood on their hands in the same time?

Those "Freedom fighters" are responsible for many deaths of innocent people. There are probably Celtic fans among families of IRA victims, I'm sure they don't share the same view with people who belt out rebs.

 

Yeah because your irish and you know it all right? You have no idea about my situation and the present situation of ireland. Im too tired to even try get my point across. Ask col st pauli he's lives in the north see if he agrees with your ideas. If you hate the brits so much ehy dont you worry about your own country and get them out of there? and thats not being sarcastic i genuinely mean it.

For the record I am not a west-brit. I am a firm nationalist and am going to leave it im tired.

Hail Hail!

 

If you seriously believe the sentiment that if people in the North feel differently about the IRA you seriously do not have a clue, I can tell you now the majority of the nationalist community would not air that sentiment you've made, and nor do I.

If you can present to me a justifiable argument why you think pro IRA chants are acceptable other than they've always been sung I'll debate the point but right now your showing a complete ignorance towards someone who actually lives in the island of Ireland

My final point in this post, the glorification of murderers is something that does not represent the values of our football club.

 

I am fully aware of the fact that innocents have been killed by the IRA, I do not support acts such as that and have never claimed to.

But your point about hypocrisy is nonsense - Republicans and their sympathisers are obviously going to detest the British Army given the history surrounding the conflict. Backing the Republican cause does not mean you are agreeing with the deaths of innocents, not at all.

 

Couldn't have put it better myself mate 100% spot on.

 

I'm well aware of that.

Yet both are glorified.

Of course.

Yeah, because there's other side of the medal too.

Not all British Army members were murdering scumbags, many who were, for example, in two world wars can be regarded as heroes who have fallen defending their nation.

And of course, not all IRA members were terrorists, murderers etc.

 

Poppy yobs shamed the memory of Hoops hero William Angus VC | The Sun |Home Scotland|Scottish News

 

Its exactly these things that happen like tonight that turns irish people off celtic. They see the IRA songs being reported and assume celtic is some neo republican gang and are thus ignorant of what kind of club celtic actually is.

I remember being on an irish forum and a lad wrote somthing like
"Was in some pub the other day when a celtic match was on, the fans were great not all RA heads"
to which a lad from cork replied
"Nonsense celtic supporter=IRA sympathiser" and he had something like 16'000 posts and as you can see completely ignorant. So the rebels that are just "IRA IRA IRA" turn people off celtic in ireland rather than entice them.

 

Hey, no need to apologize!

I take a lot of interest in Irish history, of course republicanism played a major role, so that's also inherent. It's just that I don't agree with one-sided views and tend to look on both sides of the argument.

 

Is it me but I think time was drawn on this thread because we all have our own opinions and some of us will never agree as long as we live but unfortunately it did not show us Celtic supporters in very good light and hopefully we will all learn from this incident .

 

I'm sorry but your seriously way off with that, there is no corelation whatsoever with the Irish foundations of our club our Irish support North and South and the IRA.
I mentioned in a previous post, if you can put your argument across that these pro IRA chants are acceptable other than "they've been sung at Celtic Park for years" please do but that point is mute and does not substantiate why they are sung in my mind.
To align our club and the IRA seriously gets to me.

 

I didnt mean you dont know whats going on in that way I apologise it came out wrong but you have to know the political landscape of the entire island and not just the dup and sinn fein stuff of the north. The Irish independence issue is shockingly complicated and you seem to be just looking at the veiw of RSF and not taking into account anything else. My beef is that its my country thats in the spotlight and I dont like people who know half or nothing of the story telling me they know better than me.

 

i dont know if im chipping in anything useful but just as a thought, the reason the british government found a compromise with mick was not because of the IRA's actions at the time, but was actually the threats of unionist militias in the north