Players in question??

tbf bobo was never against the manager but Peter Lawell; as for players undermining Mowbray i dont believe it myself but its not beyond the realms of possibility i guess us having a clique of say for example Brown, McGeady and McDonald could be possible

if so then players like that WILL quickly be found out and chucked out; do we really want to beleive that our players could act so hunnishly?

 

I would throw a spanner in and say we should try and sign Darron Gibson from Man U either on loan til end of the season or try to get him Perm.

I just dont see any quality in our team at all at the min.

 

I don't think it's a case of players trying to get him sacked, I just think alot of them are not peforming. That could be put down to a number of things - but ultimately it is the managers job to make sure his players perform.

Mogga is committed to playing a certain way, and I think some of them are uncomfortable in that system.
Again, I think he should have played a different way until he got the players who could play the way he wants us to. But he is stubborn in that sense and, hopefully, a few deals in January will help put the team on the right track.

 

I don't know if it's deliberate or not but some players don't appear to be giving Mowbray their all.

 

The last guy to come in with a pre-determined way of playing was Barnes. Mogga every week is looking more a more like Barnes.

The question 'is Mogga the man for the job' could have been answered by CV alone. He has the poorest CV in terms of level of experience of any previous Celtic manager since Barnes. At least MON and WGS had a few years proving they could survive in the EPL and even had mid table peaks, got to a cup final each and I think both got into Europe. Mogga is a step down from that. Basically he has the sort of CV which should have been straight into the bin, not even near to the level we should have considered.

 

And Levein's CV is glowing

 

I believe its intirely subconcious but its real. You just dont find that extra gear and run through brick walls for someone who is saying you are all * and will be replaced as soon as he can. You especially dont respect a workmain blaming his tools situation when this group of players being slagged have a pile of medals and great Euro memories, international caps etc while the manager do the blaming has a tumbleweed CV

 

I admit Levei's CV isnt fantastic The thing that impresses me about Levein is the manner of the man. He just has that bearing that a lot of great no-nonsense managers have and commands respect. Mowbray seems a bit of a space cadet with too many preconcieved ideals etc.

 

I do agree about Levein tbh. I want us to keep hold of Mogga rather than go for him, but I don't want to see him go to THEM either.

 

It's not glowing but I do think what he's done with Dundee Utd is admirable with the resources they have. He certainly knows how to organise a team and he can definitely motivate his players.

 

Craig Levein went down to Leicester and absolutely tanked. So if people are constantly going to cast up the fact that Tony Mowbray got relegated with West Brom then I think it would only be fair to acknowledge Levein's total failure south of the border as well.

Levein is a decent manager but never a Celtic manager imo.

 

I do get the impression sometimes that these scottish sueprstars need a move to England or abroad to sort their overinflated egos out. (Not that I'm saying this is the reason we're doing poorly).

Take McGeady - technique-wise the best player to come out of any team in Scotlands youth setup since... John Collins?? He seemed to reach a high of dribbling and entered our first team and since then hasn't developed any other part of his game. Perhaps better defensively (after Strachan had to drill that into him after much fuss) and probably a bit smarter on the ball, maybe a better engine.

But he hasn't taken that step up to Continental class like Darren Fletcher has. Darren Fletcher has always been a small fish with everything to prove, * he's only just managed to convince Man United fans that he has what it takes and well done him (although if you're reading Mr Fletcher, sort out your Scotland game please?)

Similarly Hutton became something of a big-shot at Rangers and became a *-head. Only a move to Spurs where it was sink (which he did for a while) or swim. Seems to be coming on now though. I also noted Steven Fletcher had a difficult start to his Burnley career. But the step up in level is seeing him HAVING to improve or he will fail. After a rocky start and not getting exactly what he wants he's getting goals now and looking Premiership class.

Derek Riordan, let's face it, a ned, let the money and image go to his head and the big team destroyed him. He didn't really move out of his comfort zone, Strachan tried to ekke the best out of him, but his attitude was appalling.

Shaun Maloney - hit the pinnacle of the SPL and made the right move. The Premiership taught him to be a better player - same with when Bawwy * made his move to Blackburn. McFadden has improved no end since his move to Birmingham.

So what I'm getting at is McGeady won't make it at Celtic unless he changes his attitude. A quick fix for him personally would be a move to England or abroad. Somehow I can see him taking the path of least resistance and staying here to be billy big-time. In reality this is the tougher choice as only he can motivate himself to improve to the higher levels that Fletcher has reached. On a purely selfish level we need him to stay, but his attitude has to change. We saw Strachan have such an episode with him before that Old Firm game and I respect Strachan for dropping billy-big-time when nobody thought he had the balls. Oh how we doubted Strachan but the TEAM rose to the challenge.

The ball is in McGeadys court and this especially applies to Scott Brown and perhaps Darren O'Dea who have been mentioned already in this thread.

 

Falkirks midfield ran the game...

Flynn ran rings around Hinkle

and Moutinho was the best striker on the field

Falkirk were the better team....we were lucky to get a draw!!

 

Interesting post mate.

I would argue though that Shaun Maloney and Barry Ferguson were worse players after their spells in England. Maloney has never hit the heights he hit in his POTY season and Ferguson was certainly never the player he was before he left Ibrox.

The rest of it I couldn't disagree with much you've said.

 

Two Leicester fans opinions on Craig Levein

 

I doubt very much that players are not trying, maybe some just arent capable and not good enough but i doubt there are some not giving their all, if there is though they know where the door is:bbpd:

 

Tony mowbray will sort it out and win the league gawd he needs to be given time to sort it and we look at it at the end of the season and I will be the first to admit it if i am wrong but i wont be and NO player is bigger than the club and no matter who it is they should be punted if its true

 

spot on

 

This rumour has that 'invented' feel about it, once again to divert attention away from matters at Ipox. I can't believe that oue players would knowingly and intentionally play poorly, as part of a comspiracy against the manager.

As a student of history, I know there have been some famous examples of athletes intentionally not performing to their capacity, such as the 1919 'Black Sox', however, I can see no evidence of that being the case here.

If ANY player, of ANY club intentionally failed to play to their ability, or conspires to intentionally not play to ability, in order that the team fail, and by extension, make the manager fail, they should not only be punted from their club, but be punted for the professional game EVERYWHERE.

Its a question of integrity, and at this point there is no basis or evidence of this being anything more than unsubstantiated rumour.

 

it is not the managers fault he has been given a bunch of players that are used to being treated like gods by gordon strachan when they are far from it and mowbray is just making it clear to them if they do not give their all then their out and that should be how it is

we need some major changes in the team not in the dugout