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Peter Lawwell

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by eddiebhoy0109, Jan 13, 2015.

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  1. Wllm Gold Member Gold Member

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    Cant really blame Peter Lawwell for what happened on the pitch today ffs
     
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  2. horseshoe

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    The * has Lawwell got to do with today's result, he supposed to come on and score himself? Jesus wept man, that today is on the manager and players, we should have had more than enough to get past killie.
     
  3. Double Dutch

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    Mate the fact you blame Peter Lawwell for us struggling the now deprives you of any right to a sensible reply. It's * idiotic.

    I've been heavily criticising BR and the players today, not sure how that equates to happy clapping. But then, you're not exactly big on detail so I suppose that doesn't really come into it for you.
     
  4. 88jimmij88

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    People in here acting like the board has no influence at a football club.

    So then whyy do we go off our heads screaming for the board to be sacked when things turn to shampoo?
     
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    I don’t think anyone is acting like that in the slightest. I think people are making clear that blaming one board member for that shambles today is idiotic, which it is.
     
  6. FrankMcCallum

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    I mean, he’s not at fault today, but why is he at the Club in any capacity?

    He’s hugely responsible for our stagnation as a football club over the last two decades. Never ending penny pinching and a non conditional refusal to improve from a position of strength.

    I couldn’t care less if this if unpopular as well but more importantly than any footballing matter, it disgusts me how he and the rest of the board have handled the child abuse scandal.

    The pitiful distancing from the Celtic Boys Club as if they were not intrinsically linked to the Club throughout the time in question is abhorrent, immoral, and turns my * stomach.

    I hate them for that more than any footballing decision they’ve ever made.
     
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    You’re not wrong mate; Lawwell is a *-and-a-half.
     
  8. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    I find it a bit mental that some fans thought process immediately after a 1-0 defeat at the start of a season with a new manager and completely new CB partnership is to go immediately to talking about Peter Lawwell.

    Just weird.
     
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  9. CookieMonster Geez yer cookies Gold Member

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    They followed advice from lawyers instead acting like decent human beings, but also begs the question why didn’t we push the board to support the victims and not just deny the links. It has been handled awfully.
     
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  10. James Gold Member Gold Member

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    In fairness though it's related to the fact we've not bought for the positions that are glaring weaknesses in the side barring Nawrocki it seems everyone we've bought are projects then on top of that we've lost one of our best players and not replace him as well as losing a starting CB. I'm not going to go for the board at this point thought as I do think we will spend big in what's left of the window
     
  11. McChiellini..

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    Don't think it's an unpopular opinion. Think most agree we've handled it terribly..
     
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    It's not just today. Gave me the fear seeing him walk out with the trophy on flag day.
     
  13. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Do we know that's Lawwells fault though? And as you say I'd be more inclined to moan about that down the line when more games have unfolded after the window has shut.

    As I said it's just a bit weird to me. He still haunts people despite his time here coinciding with quite a large element of success.

    No denying he's made mistakes. But it's just a weird reaction to a defeat.

    Then again it's always the same on here.
     
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    Bigger picture mate.

    3 games into the new season and 2 weeks till the window shuts and you yourself are in other threads correctly saying we are weaker than we were last season.

    Many folk are looking at our transfer window compared to the last few and are seeing a real shift in the way things are being done and also seeing similarities to the way things were done for last 15 - 20 years under his watch.

    This isn't unexpected, this type of reaction was always likely given the ill feeling towards him and board should have known it and not allowed him back. Altho when have they * every gave a * about how we want OUR club ran.
     
  15. James Gold Member Gold Member

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    I think it's just purely because the window is still open and it's widely expected we will spend big. Lawwell seen large amounts of success domestically but he also over seen large periods of downsizing and failure to strengthen from a position of strength. In fairness I'm not going to go in 2 footed ... yet
     
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  16. Peej Gold Member Gold Member

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    Peter Lawwell spent 18 years at the club as CEO, during a time the huns went bust for half of that tenure. Huns only really ever had one spell of success over us in our history, that was the 90s.
    It's thus a bit hard to say that the success that we had was down to his good running of the club. It would seem that half his tenure a monkey could do his job and still have been deemed a success. The other half, the huns were slowly downsizing as well and had came to an end of their doping.

    The issue that I, and many others, have with Peter Lawwell being at this club, is the fact he slows everything down, he penny pinches and watches the balance sheet far too much. Takes a slow and cautious approach to football club management, rather than being ambitious and "speculate to accumulate" approach. He is far too content on doing just enough to be the top club in Scotland, reaping in the rewards of that, and having the club finances balanced. Because if he does that, the majority of our fans will nod along at being better than the others in Scotland, and he gets paid out - bonuses and all.

    He's a company man, loyal to the bone it would seem to Desmond and the board - why wouldn't he, he is a finance guy afterall and he has a vested interest in the clubs finances being balanced.

    He isn't one to push the boat out and spend £30million more than we "have2 (utilise future sales, income and overdrafts), in the expectation that we would then generate MORE money, he just wants to see the club balanced, and safe.

    Don't buy in to it?
    Literally the spending dried up and we started to reign in signings, wages and transfers when he came in - it is partly why MON was ready to go as well , he made comments about it. * Lawwell wanted Rivaldo to do a fecking trial - thats how penny pinched he was.
    WGS was forced not to play Balde, in an attempt by Lawwell and the board to shift the last of the high earners out the door - Lawwell also dragged his heals over 500k for the signing of Berbatov - who a couple seasons later moved to Spurs and he was out of our league.

    We (Lawwell) put in place a wage "cap" that was LOWER than the top earner when he came in (Larsson) and only ever budged from it, when Desmond flexed his muscles (Keane).
    A wage cap that is still in place today, where the club for near 2 decades has not went above 35k a week for a player - even though inflation, football inflation, has all rocketed since. No one is asking us to stretch to regular 50-60k a week signings, absolutely not. But when it comes to key players who have proved their worth, we need to be offering them a better package - which the club can afford, as we post profits more often than not.

    Appointments of coaches and managers have fallen on PL many a times, most times, it is the "safe" option, or worse, the cheap option.
    Lennon x2, Deila - who was first lined up as the next assistant to Lennon when Mjalby left, then was told to Roy Keane that he would have Deila thrusted upon him. When all was said and done - Deila got the top job, because the people in charge of finding the next manager (Lawwell) had once again * the club over, that no other managers wanted the job.
    Mowbray before that, was another job for the boys sort of appointment, cheap and easy, thinking that a stint in england would be enough to convince the fans we was signing top end managers.

    Only when Desmond stepped in, did we actually ever go out and sign a reputable manager with the calibre to take us forward - which he was, but the board and Lawwell still managed to hinder that and * it all up.

    It is no surprise then, that the 2 seasons that Lawwell had disappeared for, was the two years that things started to actually look positive and active with the club.
    Yes we all know he was still "with" the club, held a title on a board that meant nothing, so that he could continue with a position within UEFA. That was fine, he was NOT in a position of control or influence.
    But the moment he was announced to come back, things took a turn, from the moment he came back in to an influencial capacity, it got bad bad again.

    How does Ange, who was happy with the club and the direction, have a meeting with the club higher ups, where rumoured £30m to spend, improvements to lennoxtown and analysis rooms etc, suddenly then jumps ship to Spurs of all * clubs. Sure a big name in the EPL top 6, but a no mark club known for Levy being a controlling * as well.

    Surely there is at least the acknowledgement of a coincidence at this time, that the one man who ruled over everything for 18 years and saw us hamper ourselves, slowed down any real progression of the club, is back again and the same signs and everything are all over the place.



    I know a few will tell me im waffling, spouting nonsense, 6 days to go in the window, come back when its closed etc etc, but why? We've done this for 2 decades, it is the same * every * time.
     
  17. John Bhoy79 Stop the world I want to get off!

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    Must have some he's the Chairman. We're hardly going to sign a player without him knowing are we? Will he not be one of those who ultimately decides what we can afford or are willing to pay for a transfer? Who decides how much we accept for one of our players? He must have some say if not the final word surely?
     
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  18. Peej Gold Member Gold Member

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    Of course he does, otherwise whats the point to his position.

    Of course Mark is in charge of recruitment, as in he organises who to scout, where to scout, what we scout, how often, brings players names to the table. It is then Nicholson who will do the hard work of negotiating it as well.
    But it then comes down to the chairman, even the other board members, to actually agree to sign off on any transfers made. They have a massive say in it, and if the chairman is saying "no, I don't want us to spend 7million on a player, or pay 40k a week" then there is * all anyone else can do or say about it really.
     
  19. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    CEO, should do all of the above.
     
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  20. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    Why did Lawwell get the blame for everything when he was CEO then? Bankier and the likes were never mentioned..

    Honestly, think some Celtic fans have a blame Lawwell for everything mentality, it's weird..