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Pennypinching in the summer.

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by mickmcl1888, Nov 22, 2013.

Discuss Pennypinching in the summer. in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. ILoveTheCeltic

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    He only has those statistics in the Dutch League though.

    Would we pay £6million for Graziano Pelle of Feyenoord? He has 37 goals in his last 38 games in the Dutch League.

    It's just a weird League. Even that Altidore of Sunderland who has something like 2 goals in 40 odd English Premier League games, scored something like 30 goals in the Dutch League last season.
     
  2. Sean Daleer Show Israel the Red Card Gold Member

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    There is only so long you can bank the cash and sell your best players though before you move up a level yourself in the transfer market.

    If we were to keep selling our best players and buying "projects" in the next two windows then I will be seriously * off.
     
  3. Sean Daleer Show Israel the Red Card Gold Member

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    If they only wanted 3-5m then either us or an EPL club would have snapped him up.

    As it was i think EPL clubs didn't think he was worth what Herenveen wanted and we weren't willing to meet their valuation.

    Sadly he is probably now out of our price range for good.
     
  4. Intellectually Absurd Gold Member Gold Member

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    I think what is worse aswell is that £6 million doesn't really buy you much in today's over-inflated market.

    Therefore, the board are probably more willing to go after a £2 million 'project' rather than a £6 million 'project', because lets face it - do you really get top quality, finished articles, for that price nowadays?
     
  5. CH4 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Whats the best gamble here

    3 off £2m players or a 1 off £6m player ? I would go for the 3 players at £2m maself
     
  6. Sean Daleer Show Israel the Red Card Gold Member

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    But as time goes on and we keep selling players for big bucks and qualifying for the CL then we should be progressing to £4/5m "gambles".

    I'm happy at the way we are being run as long as we actually progress.
     
  7. wulliebad

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    That is so * depressing.:54:
     
  8. CH4 Gold Member Gold Member

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    A know what you mean ,you look at the price of some of these young uns that have came in and there still WIP

    There comes a time where we need proven players,it's as if every player bought at present needs to be a reasonable price and hopefully become a star then sell sell sell
    It would be great if we just bought some guys with the experience for the now
     
  9. pod

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    Thats what I want. A more even balance between "proven" and potential. I've no problem with the club wanting to develop some and make a profit but it seems these days that that is the remit of a signing. I thought we were bucking the trend with the signing of big Derk, but he's looking a bit of a one off.
     
  10. Onefootwonder

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    We bought Wanyama for £800k and replaced him with a player for £2m is the other way to look at it.

    We are taking a chance in signing unknown players for smaller amounts of money.

    Sometimes it pays off, often it hasn't quite worked out.

    As long as you get a Wanyama, Forster or Van Dijk every so often, we will balance the players we sign that don't add anything and become just another squad player.

    We've signed quite a few higher value players to find they don't always add anything to the team either. Quality isn't always guaranteed no matter the price.
     
  11. Daver

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    Just as an aside, worth thinking of the fact that Boerrigter came in at the supposed pittance of 3 million as opposed to 6.....but is also on well in advance of 20k a week apparently. Wanyama was on * nowhere near that. For Boerrigter, that equates to 1 million a year +....over 3 years that equates to 6 million pound expenditure on transfer + wages.

    How that doesn't equate to significant outlay (bearing in mind our income through TV etc which is *) on a proven player is beyond me.

    EDIT - in addition, same for Pukki. Getting him from Schalke was, for right or for wrong, deemed a coup. He won't be on buttons either.

    Just saying - it's not always just transfer outlay. It's the bigger picture that's worth a gander.
     
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  12. wulliebad

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    I think if we can become a more stable club in the Cl our spending will go up,but the minute we buy that better player at 5 or 6 million we will more than likely have to break the wage structure we have in place.
    This could then lead to a few pay me the same or im off players.
    If they are saving up for the return of zombie fc then that's fine,making sure we get 10 in a row,but if we are sat with 70 million in bank and still signing 2 million players that's out of order.
     
  13. pod

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    That is a worry to me tbh. Our scouts always seem to get immense credit but there is no doubt at all that the majority of Park's success has been potential. I think we should look to be adding to the scouting team. Park has an undoubted knack of spotting potential but for some strange reason he is not too clever with established it seems.
     
  14. wulliebad

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    Din't forget wages do not count.:smiley-laughing002:
     
  15. Celtic_Jorge

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    I don't think we'll return to the level of spending we had under MON any time soon.

    First, the world is still in a recession.

    Second, we've had some reasonable success as a bargain basement club. Two years running of CL group stage football now. Last year we made it to the knockout round.

    We really haven't really lost any attendance over the past two years either.

    I really believe that the board is keeping a treasure trove ready in case the economy really implodes. That way we will swim while the other clubs sink.
     
  16. Onefootwonder

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    Yes we have. It is good people still buy season tickets, but they aren't turning up to the games.

    Attendance is down although official figures still count season ticket holders as being there.
     
  17. Markybhoy

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    I think we should go out and spend £13million on a new striker. * the recession and what the bank says, the only thing that matters is owning the transfer fee record and * on the memory of Rangers. :icon_mrgreen:
     
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    :smiley-laughing002:

    Tore!
     
  19. Roskopicachu

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    What we learned from dealing with Heerenveen is, if you go to the source, you cut out the middle man and you save a lot of time and money.
    100k for Fridjonsson and his club are delighted with the deal. I'd be back over their just now scouting midfielders and a keeper.

    It's gonna be rare to get a guy for 4-5million that doesn't want to play in England or Germany, but sooner or later those leagues are gonna be full to the gunnels with players and they can't sign up all the talent indefinitely.
     
  20. Diegan

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    You just can't budget for things that are not guaranteed. This year we were a post against Karagandy away from not qualifying. Even last year when we walked through qualification easily, what would have happened if we'd drawn Basel? Which was possible. That's no guarantee. The problem isn't necessarily the transfer fees, it's the wages that get tied up with those players. More transfer fees being spent means larger contracts. If we fail to qualify then, yes, we can cut down transfer spending but we'll be locked into contracts.

    I agree completely with Roskopikachu's point. Go to the source of talent and we'll be stronger.