Paris...shootings and explosions

This is clearly a very emotive subject and people have strong opinions on the matter. Keep the debate to the subject. Debate the post, and not the poster.

 

This is a very important point.

 

Seems like a very wide range of countries to me...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks#2010s

 

This.

 

It was labouring the point that some on here can't see past the end of their pious noses. There is no debate in their eyes. Drowning out others to enforce their own views on the situation as the only 'acceptable' view to hold. That's irony.

 

Most of these old religious books are so silly and contradictory that you can take them to mean anything really. Religion, as a human creation, is always being moulded by people to fit their lives, in the modern world. Muslims may believe that the first Muslims were the best Muslims but modern existence and what is best for themselves takes precedence. So ahadith about killing isn't going to be important in Kuala Lumpur.

And again, * these New Atheists types. I've seen Sam Harris argue for racial profiling in the past and other say European fascists have the best understanding of Islam.

 

Apparently police have arrested a man at Gatwick airport who had a Grenade in his bag.

http://gatwick.airlive.net/

 

I know. There is a lot of countries unfortunately at war. What is your point?

 

That footage from the back door of the Bataclan concert hall...

* *.

 

You're right, it's far from a black & white issue. There are many different factors at play here, including the western Government's and their power grabs, and also the "religious" leaders who use circumstances to further their own agenda of hatred and intolerance.

It's certainly not a problem easily solved, that's for sure. Saying that if our Government's simply stop involving themselves in Middle-Eastern affairs would solve the problem is likely to be as effective as saying that if we ban Islam the problem would end (I've read both many times of late).

There's no real answers here, which is why this kind of * has been happening in some form or another since man developed the ability to travel beyond their local villages and cause issues with their neighbours.

 

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Yeah Sam Haris is liked by a lot of athiests but he's a hypocritical as they come as in the end he still believes in the modern Zionist ideas and goals his ideas and politics are no different in some ways to extreme religious Jewish settlers.

 

Well done to the intelligence/security personnel that dealt with him before he was allowed to carry out his plan. I live in Crawley less than a mile from the airport and this is a frightening development . No doubt a local .

 

Hide within refugees, buy their way in, sneak across the borders. There's several ways.
But there would of been people already in Paris to plan it (where,when and how to attack), get guns & bombs and somewhere for the terrorists to live.

Can tell several media outlets will blame this on refugees.

 

Sometimes I don't express my ideas very clearly and you are right to point out that this isn't a magic wand that would solve the problem overnight. Of course you are right that this is a complex problem and no solution will be simple.

Surely you agree, however, that stopping the pain we are causing in these countries is an absolutely essential first step. I guess we are talking about a necessary but not sufficient condition here.

 

Thing is, whilst it's certainly not refugees to blame (these people, if they came in via these means are certainly not refugees), what has to be said is that the system of just welcoming anyone over the border was always running the risk of disaster.

This is why I couldn't agree with the "come one, come all", and "throw open the borders, let them all in" chat that we were seeing all over social media and forums a few months back.

It was blatantly obvious that those with ulterior motives were going to use such a situation to their own advantage. Many scoffed at that idea, and shot down anyone who suggested it as "racist", which was * ridiculous to be honest.

So yeah, the refugees aren't to blame, but the people in power who allowed virtually anyone to cross into places like France without proper checks are.

we'll be paying that price for that for quite a while I reckon.

 

Apparently the man arrested at Gatwick was carrying a gun aswell.

 

Syrian passports apparently found on two of the bombers.

And so it begins...

Oh and a French passport found on another. Quite why a Frenchman would have his passport with him is anyones guess.

 

My own opinion is that we should have absolutely zero interference in the Middle-East at all, but that's not going to happen, is it?

Even if we did withdraw from Syria and other countries we'll see calls of the west allowing the dictators and military to run roughshod over their people, won't we?

What happens if & when a group of these ISIS types actually manages to grab power in a country? Or even more than one country? When they're murdering any female who doesn't conform to their outdated, barbaric views of how they should behave and be treated? When anyone who doesn't fit their narrow views of Islam is being shot through the head?

Does our Government say "well, not our concern really. We have no business being there"?

 

Are any news channels reporting on the Gatwick arrest? Not seeing it anywhere other than dodgy links via Facebook.