Paris...shootings and explosions

You echo a lot of peoples sentiments on this Marky. I really feel for innocents where ever they may be in the world when faced with such terrors. The world is all about power, oil and money and humanity is going under.

 

Outwith here, someone just told me every single refugee wants us all to convert to Islam or die (with the implication that they are ISIS)

Sorry to confuse things just wanted to vent it amongst sensible minded people

 

So is two of the gunmen still at large

 

and by the same token who the * knows there are only 200,000 members of Isis? Folk just throw figures out there.

And not wading into the religion debate but just from the observation of a compassionate non religious person........What happened in Paris and what's happening in the world today it's a wonder that people still believe in any religion. Religion truly is a phenomenon I will never understand.

 

I hate SKY news they chat so much * it's almost laughable

 

I'm basing a point on the highest figures I could find rather than trying to under estimate a number to make the same point, plenty sources suggest that its a lot less than 200,000 that only further backs my point. Either way I cant find a source that numbers would suggest ISIS matches the numbers of refugees!

 

Ranting against bigotry and then throwing in lines like 'those over the Clyde'.

Yup, cos 'those over the Clyde' are all the same. Bigoted *!

Just like all black men have big *, like all Asians eat dogs, like all Indians smell of curry... etc. etc. etc. (*insert your own stereotype here... why not go for all refugees are terrorists... that's a topical one!).

Understand bigotry and your own bigoted inclinations before having a go at others.

 

It's easy enough to estimate how many members of any particular group there is.

With ISIS, they look at where they originate, where they currently are, what areas they hold. Death tolls etc

200,000 is the largest that U.S. intelligence believe ISIS have. That's like half the population of Aberdeen, so a lot but not that many. Bearing in mind they are quite coordinated and larger numbers would make coordination much more difficult.

People just shout the word ISIS and have not a clue who they are or what they are.

 

I think numbers could be a bit skewed as Isis has become a major world threat. If as all available reports suggest that they have sympathizers everywhere I think the number is unquantifiable.

 

Take out the words bigotry then. Omit that if you want.

You know fine well what I meant by that. Rangers are a football club based on religious intolerance. A large number of their fans hold these views. Not all of them - i'll make that clear for you since you want to trip me up with that. I just though, given our experience as a support, we were better than that. We were more open as a whole and more tolerant. Less likely than other groups to write sections of society off.

How am I a bigot for being absolutely disgusted with the way folk on here are talking? Because I don't write off the entire muslim population? Because I can see that this is due to extremists who are the minority? Because I know this is fuelled by western imperialism?

 

Islam is very intolerant of other beliefs.

 

it's a simple fact that at this point in time while not every Muslim is a terrorist every terrorist is a Muslim. Whenever there is an attack like this there is never a doubt about the religious background of the perpetrators.

 

So, * for tat?

Christianity is pretty intolerant of alot of things.

Also, 1.57 billion Muslims in the globe. Are they all like that, yes?

 

The real issue is the support ISIS gets from traditionalist Muslims in France or among immigrants. Pointing out simply the number of members doesnt solve any question. There are many indications that suggest that the immigrants community in France radicalize and seek for their original religious roots.

 

I as i have previously said in this thread i hold as much a disdain for Christianity as i do Islam, However there is a problem in the modern world with a particular religion like at one time in history Christianity was a world wide problem it so happens that it's Islam this time around. Enough with your pseudo liberalism Islam is a problem and needs to be discussed.

 

Is that true though? Think hard about that.

Definition of terrorism ''the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.''

The think about Israel and Jewish terrorism, then think about the U.S. and Britain drone striking every day, murdering many people.

Terrorism is not only at an individual level but at state level too.

'Every terrorist is a muslim'

 

The difference is that Christians does not kill for their religion

 

I despise all religion believe me - i despise Islam as much as Catholicism. I detest Juadaism and Hinduism. The lot - its all nonsense, airy fairy *.

But at the end of the day, this is our own making. When we stop bombing and pillaging Islamic nations, the problem will get better. Will it totally subside - probably not. However it would get a whole lot better.

They are acting like this for a reason and we're all * bent on turning a blind eye to that reason.

They didn't all wake up one day and think ''Right, its time to bomb the white folk in the west.''

Well, we did. We kill for money now.

 

I think there has been and there most likely is cases of Christians doing that, where the two differ is there are individuals in Islam who believe if they blow themselves up taking many lifes with them they will go to the land of milk and honey where theres 40 virgins waiting on them.

 

I honestly don't think we are turning a blind eye to it, the west * up in the middle east in the first place created a power vaccum for * like ISIS to take over now sadly there is a genuine problem that actually does warrant military involvement by the looks of things the western governments are doing everything to not put boots on the ground but it seems to be with the success rate of drone attacks then that actually might be the better option this time around. They made a * of it and they know it.