Outrage over Mohammed movie

Had to read it a couple of times to figure out what you said......but i think i got there!!!
A man after my own heart!

 

100% correct Che

 

The post wasn't "some made form of gibberish" to anyone with a basic understanding of English. It was a pertinent analogy, as was mine. It is only because you subjectively determine religious beliefs to be more important than non-religious beliefs that you are able to rationalise your statement.

As someone who is non-religious, it's great to hear that my beliefs are of no significance in comparison to someone who is. What utter bigotry.

 

I think when these people receive the opportunities the developed world has nowadays, there is no reason to suggest that they cannot develop their thinking. A few hundred years ago in this country we were burning witches. Not even a hundred years ago we were force injecting homosexuals with hormone treatment and trying to "civilise" the "savages" of the world. And not 50 years ago in the US black people were fighting for the right to sit at the front of a bus.

Social progress takes time but when people have access to formal and informal education and a growing awareness of other cultures and races, things can move quite quickly. There will always been lunatics in any society, but as long as people are given the right opportunities to learn I believe most people will embrace this.

 

Let me understand your points, as highlighted above. Are you straight out, calling me a bigot with no understanding of the English language?

 

Sorry to jump in on your argument/point but maybe you can explain the highlighted part? If you are not religious and don't care for religion then how can someone be bigoted against the religion you don't believe in? It's like saying "you're bigoted towards eh.... nothing!"

 

Well firstly, I really can't see what it was about Tir's post that you don't understand. He made a simple analogy using several fantasy figures to illustrate a point. I thought it couldn't have been more straightforward. I don't get which sentences you didn't understand.

Secondly, you openly stated that a non-religious belief (and by default, all of my beliefs are non-religious) is insignificant in comparison to a religious one. If I have misunderstood that, I apologise, otherwise, yes, to arbitrarily state that what I and a great many others on this site believe in is insignificant compared to the beliefs of the faithful then I can't think of a clearer example of bigotry.

 

To let you know HoopSprings, I am an agnostic. I have no religion, which therefore makes it impossible for me to be bigotted against atheist or agnostics, so wind yer neck in. As I've stated several times now, Tir's analogy is nonsensical to me. If you understand it, many congratulations to you. Either way stop trolling me and calling me a bigot or uneducated. I am neither!

As for my discussion on religious beliefs, as an agnostic, I have no care about someones beliefs, however, it is safe to say that
people with firm religious ideals, can feel that an attack on their deity is a direct attack on their entire belief system. It is not possible for an atheist to take the same stance, as you can't take umbridge to something you don't believe and which doesn't define you as a person. This is purely my opinion, and may not be representative of your own.

 

No, but you can take umbrage at those belief systems which regard atheists as the scum of the earth!

 

Correct, but that's not what I have been saying.

 

Ok, but because people have firm religious ideals doesnt mean they should be shown any more respect than those that dont does it?I know they seem to demand special status, but why should they get it?

 

Where in my posts does it say that people with religious beliefs should be shown more respect. If I were to agree to that ludicrous suggestion, I would be intimating that my own ideals have less respect than those of the religious believer. It seems you are trying to find an argument that doesn't exist.

 

No im not...ive had enough of that tonight thanks!I genuinely must be misinterpreting your posts.I, like HoopSprings read this line, and disagreed with it.
Belief in a political ideology has no significance in comparison to religious beliefs.

I have no wish to go any further though!

 

I agree with you. If there wasn't that movie, there wouldn't be any violence.
This is not tsunami, earthquake or something that couldn't be prevented. If that man hadn't made that film, there wouldn't have been any violence.
I believe that film is a provocation, just like caricatures Charlie Hebdo made. They saw what the film has caused and they just can not stop.

Spot on.

I agree.

I agree with you Che. I also think that Christians are a bit nervous because more and more people convent to Islam, so many Christians become Muslims and I think this is one of many poor tries to prevent that.
People who made that film knew how Muslims would react. I am waiting here for a new democratic action.

That ambassador who was killed, * rest his soul, took a photo of him next to next to Gaddafi's corpse and a year later, he was killed by the same kind of people.
I do not see people condemned violence when Gaddafi was killed in a savage way.
If we are against violence, we should condemned it, no matter who did it and why.
I feel disgusting when I see the scenes of Gaddafi's death, but as well when I see scene of US ambassador's death.

Well, if the film is made, I am sorry that film wasn't made by some Belarus guy ( I bet people will talking the Lukashenko story), Serbian guy ( We will be worlds racists number one), Chinese or Russian guy- I have a feeling, people will talk about tolerance and democracy, a film-maker would be demonized as the eastern butcher who doesn't know what the freedom of speech is, a person who doesn't respect other people's beliefs.



Noone here supports violence, we just say it could be prevented. No film-no violence.

 

I think I should also say that whilst I don't condone the movie at all, and firmly believe that the person who made it did so with an agenda, it does not excuse the barbaric acts of those who have used it as an excuse to commit murder.

 

Fair enough, but I have to say that as an atheist I can take the same stance. My belief in equality, regardless of race, gender or sexuality, is as important to me as any religious belief is to anyone else. It's part of what defines me, a core part of my identity and something that I aspire to in every aspect of my life. People who know me would likely say I'm as dogmatic in my adherence to this as any of the faithful.

My belief is no less worthy, no less sincere and no less significant than any religious belief (though so far I've managed to refrain from rampaging against preachers who disagree with me). As I said, and as MGM quoted as well, you appeared to be suggesting otherwise, so apologies if that's not what you meant.

 

The maker of the movie has been arrested;

 

Here's an interesting turn of events:

http://elpais.com/elpais/2012/12/09/inenglish/1355079560_678292.html

Looks like someone else is making a movie.

 

I don't know why people get that upset about religion. People seem to get so caught up on what happens after you die, * it, enjoy the life you have on this actual planet and then worry about what happens next later! I love having a good debate as much as anybody and people talk about finding the meaning to life, why are we here etc, it's really subjective. It's up to you, you can come up with any meaning you want, but try and enjoy your life because there is no guarantee that there's anything after it.

 

USA is Israels *