Our board.

So had we invested in 1 or 2 players (not necessarily Fletcher...not my cup of tea) when 7 points ahead we would have had £12m more than we have now. We could have done a lot with that money.

Thanks Peter.

Fact.

 

Speculate to accumulate is one of the biggest myths going. In football terms at least.

We 'speculated' plenty when Martin O'Neill was our manager and look what ended up happening.........we had to slash the wage bill and couldn't make any significant signings for about the last 3 seasons he was in charge.

You can't go out spending money you don't have and Scottish Football is skint. No matter how unpallatable that sounds it is a fact.

 

Invest=CL money is your opinion not a fact. Speculate to accumulate can work but is not a definite. Just ask the orcs, after all that is how they are in such a mess yet we should go down the same road?

 

Nothing in football is definite, but spending no money to win a title is much more risky than spending money to improve your team to win a title.

Speculate to accumulate is not a myth marky, not in the slightest, we do not mean go out and spend 20-30 million, we mean go and spend money, reasonable money that will improve the team.

Do people really believe that spending no money puts us in a better position financially than spending money? Spending no money = less chance of european competition and the money that comes with that, spending money = higher chance of european participation, the board have tried in the past to spend no money to achieve european participation and look how that turned out, in reality celtic tried to spend no money and in turn it has cost us millions, our net spend over the past few seasons has been zero if not even profitable for the club.

Looks like the board are able to pull the wool over fans eyes easier than i would have imagined, we realise the age we live in but that does not mean we cannot spend a few million on a target that will improve the first team. Typical thinking from some sections of fans that think what we have is enough, it wasn't last season what makes you think its enough this season?

 

some people won't be happy unless we * £10 million a window. We spend that much and miss the Champions League again and we could be nearing £20 million debt before we know it...........

we can't spend until the current wage bill is reduced, but we can't make otehr clubs take players they don't want.

 

This is the myth some fans on here create, who is asking to spend 10 million pounds? No one we are asking to spend if a third of that amount to improve the squad.

When fans like myself say lets spend some money i don't mean some unrealistic amount we don't have im talking a few million pounds to improve the squad and get us this title back, if fans are happy with spending 800k on wanyama and two bosmans then they need their heads checked.

 

You have pointed out that the people that want us to spend money are not asking for Celtic to spend 20-30million. Well I'm equally sure that those of us who are pointing out the financial realities of where Celtic are aren't saying the club should spend nothing.

Anyway, that aside........what sum of money do you want to see Celtic spending then? What would you say would constitute a realistic and sensible level of investment in new players?

 

Net spend of 3-4 million is within a reasonable level of investment, for me at least that would show a decent level of ambition, not spending 3 million on players and receiving 3 million because that displays little ambition, 3-4 million net spend in my opinion should be a level that is affordable.

 

That seems like a reasonable figure. However, if you do that for 2-3 seasons in a row you have just added £6-12million on to the club's debt.

How do we balance the books?

 

You would hope that by spending that money you gain access to the champions league where even if you are just there for the show you should be able to earn 7-8 million pounds allowing even if you only gain access to the champions league for one season the money earned would allow that level of spending for 2/3 years.

 

What if you don't though? the reality here is there is no ''right'' or ''wrong'' answer just different opinions with good reasons for both points of view. The board, it would seem, have chosen to be prudent and only time will tell if this has been a good choice. It's also wrong to imply that fans who agree with this have somehow been hoodwinked or are naive.

 

I see what you mean John bhoy, but the prudent way the board has acted over the past few years hasn't exactly been productive has it. If a way of working or acting year on year fails to work then you don't continue along that same path do you, you need to change slightly and im just asking to change a wee bit to get that bit of extra quality in so we can win this league.

I am the same as all fans on here i just want celtic to win the league this year and for every year after that.

 

agree with what you're saying in principle.its just really frustrating that our billionaire owner can "find" extra money when the likes of robbie keane becomes available

 

its not down to one shareholder to fund and entire club.

i wouldnt want robbie keane here, he doesnt want to play for a club like celtic, all he wants is the money.

 

I fully endorse:

spend money to make money

And I don't believe for a second we couldn't shift some of the dead wood at the club. There is definitely a club out there willing to take some of it off our hands and it's just a matter of whoring them about agents to get them shopped around to potential clubs.

If we don't use the above methods then the simplest solution is to sell an asset. But that's a last resort.

 

I will be brutally honest here. I dont care how much it costs us. I want us to win the title this season. If it puts us in hock up to the * eyeballs I dont give a *. Put up the season tickets, make the hot dogs a tenner a pop, charge a fiver for a coke (wait a minute...)

Being unable to dislodge a team who have just had the bailiffs in is unacceptable. We cant keep saying we are skint. We have a turnover of £70m a year. If cuts need made, then it shouldnt be to the detriment of the playing staff. How about Lawell? £750k a year. That might be a good start. His record the last 3 seasons has been * if you ask me.We have millionaire shareholders who have little intention of investing in the club. Well, perhaps it would be nice to get some in who would like to invest. DD takes a lot of glory in being the major shareholder, but he doesnt seem to have done a great deal other than buy just enough shares so he doesnt have to take over the club.

We need 3 possibly 4 players now. A goalkeeper, a midfielder and a striker. Our depth is a myth. We seen in the friendlies that the second string is not strong enough, and we are now going to be tested.

How much will that cost? * if I know. Which seems to be the boards take on things as they are stumbling from one failed transfer to another.

 

spot on.time to splash a bit and get the league back where it should be or face they * winning 4iar and another shot at CL money

 

Fans are hoodwinked again how many times have we heard big named stars will be in, yet here we are again waiting till the last minute till we get someone or not?? if I had a fiver for every time on here, someone came up with the origional saying we need time to gel??????? ha ha is that a word used too often, I would be as rich as DD and then I would put my money where it should be strengthing the team and not lining their pockets

 

its like the board are waiting for rangers financial issues to finally impact them on the park-then we can be a wee bit better than a * team with no money-great ambition shown dont you think

 

The answer to the why? question is that the best value in the market emerges towards the end of the window. Lennon obviously has enough faith in Zaluska to get us through the early part of the season, and hopefully we will pick up anew keeper towards the end of the window when clubs are under pressure to sell players who have itchy feet. It makes absolute sense, although I'm not surprised that the panel on Super Scorboard can't figure it out, most of them struggle to chew chewing gum and walk at the same time.