opinion has shifted

It's not a case of supporting a winning team at all times, it's a case of seeing progress, in TM case we've actually got worse under him.

Our defence is a complete shambles, we appear to have no team tactics, the team selections are constantly changing, his subsitutions are weird to say the least, to me it says this nice guy is in over his depth. I liked TM as a player and a man, but as Celtic manager he has been less than impressive.

 

One thing that is clear from this, is that the OP is wrong - not all the fans are against BTM.

How the * people can say we've got the best players in the SPL is beyond me - yes when they're all fit we are up there, but is Thomson & O'Dea the best CB pairing in the SPL? Is Caddis the best RB?

I don't think so, 3 of the Aberdeen goals came from freekicks from the left side of the pitch - where O'Dea had given away needless fouls (ala McManus). The other goal was a crazy handball in the penalty area by Braafheid.

Tell me how Mowbray can help that? Perhaps by never putting O'Dea anywhere near our 1st team ever again, but for that he has to put in a 19 year old who has never played an SPL game - & he would need to put him alongside an 18 year old, who has played about 6 or 7 SPL games.

Mick & Caldwell had to go, most fans are aare of that.

Loovens looks to be knocking himself out every time he goes for a header.

Hooivelt got an early injury to his hamstring, I'm sure we don't want to put him at further risk of playing through injury - same with Hinkel.

Mowbray tried to buy experianced CBs in the window, he couldn't get them for whatever reasons - he's told us he doesn't want to be risking Thomson, but has no choice & he's put Thomson above O'Dea, after quickly sussing the Irishman out.

I wish fans would look at the facts & look at them with open eyes, what more could Mowbray do with these players? He's trying his best & we did ask for more attacking football, we've not scored 4 at Pittodrie for a while - no-one has (I think).

 

test case?????

I am 53 yrs of age and been a supporter as going to games since 1968, so 42 yrs of following the hoops, like a lot more, been thro good and bad, watched wee Mc Cann saving our club and building a fabulous stadium, seen all the poor fans sitting out in the temp stands to watch the hoops in appaling weather, diff is we had a no bad team and board then, but now all they r interested in is 0 balance and look where it has got us, zilch with a clueless manager, what would he be like in the CL with all the really big names in Europe,would u trust him????? not me, get him out on his ear,not suitable for Celtic manager, if he can't motivate the hoops against smaller teams in Scotland what * chance have we got, get real people, this was his test case and is failing all over.

 

Redbaz , Do you not go along with the theory that a good defence will mean better defending and therefore more clean sheets and conceding less goals in general ?
Sort the defence out , which will then cut the rest of the team plenty slack to play their natural game.. Our defence isn't being weakened because our midfield and attack aren't doing their job properly or because tactics are backfiring.. Our defence is nearly always responsible for every goal we concede and the majority of those goals are down to basic defensive errors which you'd expect schoolboys to be able to avoid.. The fact Thompson is the only one from our backline coming out of our games
with any credit probably backs up this feeling..

A starting point has to be sorting the defence.. Yeah , it should have been done long before now , and as some people have questioned , If the attitute from the board is that TM is bulletproof untill next Christmas time and has been given some kind of permission to use this season to prepare for next year (while still trying to win this seasons title) then it's one * of a dissapointing attitude to take , but it would then be understandable why TM signed players who weren't ready for first team action while letting others leave the club.. The only thing to cling onto is the hope that once the defence is in place (And there's no denying injuries have played a huge part to that) that we'll get consistency into performances and results.. For that to happen Hooiveld simply has to be the real deal and if he forms a partnership with Loovens/Thompson/Rogne then even better but I would say one of them has to emerge as a leader before the season is out... I don't think TM can really afford another bacward step at this stage or the goodwill he's still getting from fans at games is goint to be tougher to hold onto..

 

i'm sticking with him im willing to sacrafise 1 season to get more in return the next few and we will guarantee it,just need to keep a fit and consistant defence

 

who's fault

Look his record speaks for it self, this is his big test, and he is pulling us down, big * time, he is the manager, with the big bucks, if I am not producing the goods at work I will be out on my *, he takes the credits and the blame, full stop he is the manager, so he should be shown the door thanks but no thanks, just the same with P leguen with the sons of satan,he had to go, no backing from the players,saying it is not his fault, then who the * is it.??????

 

mogga still gets my vote.

 

time bomb

For a start Loovens is a * time bomb, not good enough, and for this clown to be in till next Christmas, I will be in the * nut hoose by then, with the sons of satan going for 3 in a row and us giving them more money * money to save them????? I just can't understand the mentality of some Celtic fans, I want to drive them into the ground the way we were not giving them a * lifeline, but that is us down to a 't'

 

You are right from an accountability point of view , Just like others are right when they express opinion that they are willing to sacrifice short term success for long term stability and success..

It's down to a supporter to either back the manager or not , based on their insinct , if they want accountability for this season then they probably won't back him as facts show he hasn't been succesfull in the 7/8 months in the job , but if they are looking at it from a long term planning point of view then there's a good chance they will be more patient and the next 7/8 months of the job will hopefully justify their belief in TM..
Both points of view are understandable..

 

One thing you have to look at and understand about forums I think is that probably the vast majority of posters would be of an age of between 9 years old to about 15 maybe 16 years old. Most of these posters will have grown up in the years of Wim Jansen, Martin O'neil and WGS and have been a wee bit spoiled with Celtic winning a fair few trophys.
I also think that these same posters have adopted the "Champ Manager" attitude to think when things go wrong throwing money about and sacking people will sort it.

I know that its not just that age group are the ones who have lost faith but I think forums have a majority of teenagers as to older people which arent so fickle.

If you read back at most threads on any Celtic forum when BTM joined you'll see stuff like..Hope he gets rid of all the * and deadwood at Celtic!..Hope he brings in new defenders!..Hope he brings in a half decent striker!..Well he did and these same posters are now saying its not good enough.
Im not saying drawing with falkirk and Aberdeen is good enough but I think we're at least heading in the right direction. BTM just needs time. Get behind him!

 

Why do people confuse being a celtic supporter, being faithful through and through; and showing blind loyalty to a guy who has shown he canny get a run of results out of the team

 

i think he has just about lost the team and the fans, there is no emotion coming from him in the dugout he just sits like a wet blanket , some of his decisions have been very poor , and there is no motivation from him, we could give him till the end of the season - but what if he doesnt get us qualified for the euro league, then we have the problem of folks saying "if we had got rid of him in feb" his decisions have cost us points not the teams, he puts the players on the park and if he cant get it right he has to go.:bbpd:

 

numpty TM

Dont try and tell me about keeping the faith, been following Celtic thro thick and thin since 1968/69, and seen off those old robbing * who should have been jailed, but there comes a time when you need to take the green sunglasses off and look at the big picture, this man is not class enough to be Celtics manager, it is getting worse not better, I for one dont want to go thro another season with his tactics, up 4-2 and brings on attackers????? should have strengthend at the back, he is a * numpty.

 

spot on

Spot on never a truer word.

 

At last someone speaking sense whats with the defeatist attitude in this forum?

 

realistic

What * positives have you seen from this, if you are pleased with this Celtic team and the way they are playing then we have no hope for the future, what would you have done with that old board would you have stood outside and protested as well as inside because that is what we did, it is not about being negative, it is being realistic.

 

this team is * crap and the best of a bad bunch is on loan

 

i have no doubt that mowbray will be driven out of parkhead soon enough, just like what happened with our previous manager who was apparently * as well

 

So you werent cheering when Keane and Kamara scored against Dunfermline and Aberdeen? Or were they good that minute but not this minute...grow up

 

Positivity toward the manager man, i am aware of situation but it's how you react in football, and as a set of fans, this board has been laughable