One for the Irish

Can you elaborate on what you and your kind are? why you yourself don't believe in Democracy?

And why your kind doesn't recognize NI or respect the ROI?

 

Maybe 30 years ago we could have had referendums in Coatbridge and Kilburn to see if they would have liked to join ROI.

 

My point about the 'betrayal' is...

There seem to be 3 different groups in NI,
Those against a United Ireland
Those who are neither Unionist nor Republican
And those who are Republicans

I have said all along is that it is my opinion that people in ROI perceive only one of these groups as 'worthy' of being called Irish. The only one that won't settle for anything less.

This attitude exists everywhere in society...2 Scottish examples would be Alan Hansen and Andy Murray.

Hansen for being, at times anti-Scottish - Pro-English, and Murray for being apologetic about his Scottishness. Trivial examples but the same idea..



Why should people from the ROI vote on NI?

Funnily enough about a month ago I saw protesters in George Sqr calling for Ulster-Scots to be allowed to vote in the Indy ref.

They have no right and neither do people from the ROI.

 

The first part of your post is total and utter bullshit.

 

But the people of the north of Ireland continued fighting for their freedom while the free staters ( largely though not exclusively )stopped fighting because they were granted their freedom. Surely as that is the case if anyone was to feel betrayal it would those in the north. No ?

The people of the Free State should get a right to vote as I have already said "Northern Ireland" is not a country but a pretendy madey up Sectarian statelet.

 

Agree 100% . Most of the northerners I met were all sound

 

But the free staters have always fought Britain (e.g established Govt/Hierarchy)...in Ulster and now NI the fight was always against Britain and the people who opposed them.

My opinion is that people from the South see those who opposed as the traitors and like most things are lumped together as one.

NI isn't a country but it is a distinct part of the UK, just in the same way Scotland and England are technically not countries but regions of the UK.

 

Sorry don't understand that at all ( maybe that's me)

One thing are you basing this on people from the south of Ireland you know?

 

I think the impartial viewpoint would question in what way are the North any less "free" than the South? Both can vote to elect whom they wish. If everyone in the North voted in a republican party then they would be listened to. But they dont.

 

It is like Scotland in which way we vote won't really determine which type of government we get,so really no matter what proportion of the north vote SF they are stuck with London rule are they not

 

But the whole point of the state being set up the way it was ( 6 counties as opposed to 9) was to make sure this could never happen.

In terms of how are they less free, being that the discussion has been about Irish Unification on the Island of Ireland.They are less free because they live on the Island of Ireland under British rule.

The nationalist population of the north has suffered under this Sectarian state for 90 years and for 30ish years fought this state violently to unite their country giving up 100's of Comrades to death or years in prison. All this to be told they are betrayers or not proper Irish people. That does not sit well with me personally.

 

I have no opinion on whether they are "proper Irish people" or not, but they are fighting to unite with a part of the world who likely do not want them. I dont believe for a second if there was a vote in ROI to unite with NI and take on all of their political and social baggage that people would want it. Why would they? They would be voting to take on a ton of debt, a largely uneducated region, with little real economy, a massive welfare bill, a bloated public sector, and the biggest brain drain until recently in the developed world. And on top of that, they need to spend millions to stop two groups of people from killing each other.

That is what I always think people miss in NI - you have two sides fighting against each other to belong to two other groups who dont really want them. It is a very odd situation.

 

I don't believe in your democracy.

I don't need to explain that. Ireland is Ireland.

 

With the greatest respect Sween I think you are speaking their as an" impartial observer" fair enough but someone who has little grasp of Irish nationality.

The Irish had a civil war over this issue 90 years ago and that is nothing really.

I am pretty sure the vote would be yes. There is only one way to prove this though have a vote. Surely if the Brits were as confident as you they would have had the vote.

 

agree 100pc with everything you have said and it is largely the opinion of people from the republic.

 

Once again how can you speak on behalf of 4 million plus people?

No one on here can speak for the ROI and that goes for sween too. it's just opinions. There is one way to put the issue to bed for another while and that is to have a border poll. If people vote no then that's that. no harm done.

 

Did I miss the vote where you were given the right to speak for the people of ROI ?

 

realistically, how could the republic take on the north, we cant even manage ourselves nor could we ever, its just not workable now or in the forseeable future, the idea of having a united ireland is great but could it really work

 

NI was not an identity before 1920 when it was artificially created to keep a British presence in Ireland.

Is this the parliament to which you refer
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Northern_Ireland"]Parliament of Northern Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]