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Not Actually that Crucial a Summer as of August 2023...beginning to now think everything isnt fine!

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Mr Shelby, May 3, 2023.

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  1. Liam Scales

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    Man Utd maybe.

    And they’re a shambles
     
  2. HTG "I have an uncle who does Yoga"

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    Massive 48 hours coming up.

    I just don't think we're getting a GK in, I gave up on that last week when McGowan himself said we'd need to move Siegrist on first, tells me even if we did bring one in, it'd be a project or back-up to Hart at best. Could see us revisiting it in January as I don't see Hart signing a new deal even if he finds his form again.

    Got Palma secured, and I think we'll get the Benfica lad on a LTB, so that leaves CB and LB, I think we'll get one other player on top of that, perhaps another ST? I really hope we start seeing links to a LB soon.

    It's not ideal, and there's no reason for us to be in this position, but truth be told, until we gut the entire board, things will remain the same.
     
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  3. Liam Scales

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    We won’t get a first team keeper, I think the Livakovic link was there because we thought we had possibly the chance of a World Class keeper, it shut up pretty quick when the £70k odd wages were the competition. Because we may be able to afford that but really we can’t because then Kyogo, Calmac, CCV, Johnstone, Hatate would all quite rightly be demanding the same.

    We’ll look at it for next season I think but he seems happy enough with Hart.

    I genuinely believe if funds weren’t promised to Rodgers and by Rodgers demeanour towards transfers compared to when we definitely were not trying to back him last time, I think we’ve tried for options that are actually out of our reach. I think we have the transfer fees there, but there’s a certain level of money we just cannot compete with the contracts that they’d get.

    Think Tete, Livakovic, Podence are all examples and there will be a lot that haven’t been leaked.


    Giving Palma the 7 jersey though, we either really think we’re onto something or we’re hanging the boy out for a sacrificial lamb.
     
  4. HTG "I have an uncle who does Yoga"

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    I think we'll definitely bring a GK in this January, Hart will be gone next season, along with Siegrist, so we need to bed a new GK in.

    On your point regarding targets, the club, and Rodgers, need to find a middle ground come January.

    I don't mind the club trying for more ambitious targets, but it's essentially cost us the League cup and we've threw away points to the worst team in the league due to lack of bodies. Relying on James Forrest and Bernabei shows the lack of proper players we currently have(albeit Rodgers should be beating St Johnstone at home regardless)

    At the same time, I'd like us to be a bit more ambitious than signing a K2 league player and an Aussie player that even Aussies themselves were confused with. Yang and Holm look solid so far, but its a strategy that's bit us on the * countless times in the past.

    For now, the club just need to bring bodies in, but come January they need to have come up with a proper scouting strategy so we avoid a future repeat of this window, we clearly relied on Ange far too much prior.
     
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  5. Liam Scales

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    I think we thought this was the middle ground but I think we also thought we’d have CCV and Hatate here, the two are key. Then we sign two cb’s one looks really good until he also got injured, then handed a contract to the younger back up who came on and done well, he also got injured. That’s down to bad preparation pre-season for me btw, it’s not bad luck.

    But the guys that it’* is bad luck, there’s loads that wouldn’t be as crucial.

    This is such a crucial few days, more crucial than I can remember since Ange took over and pulled out the trio of Jota, CCV and GG on the last day of the window. We need that level of last days.
     
  6. Leone Naka Fan

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    See, I wouldn't. Tactics have to be good enough because the players we have are good enough to win the league. And currently, tactics are *. Any signings mean more in Europe.
     
  7. Luis1967 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Another day of * all coming up no doubt. Palma and 2 loans on Friday is all I’m expecting now to avoid too much disappointment.
     
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  8. thailandceltic From Immigration to Domination

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    The Danish striker might be one too. Its more hope than anticipation now we get any decent first teamers in
     
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  9. JC Anton Get yer, hats, scarfs badges & tapes

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    Another day of popping in and out of here constantly..
     
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  10. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    It can't be this quiet without good reason....surely....can it?!!!
     
  11. honda Gold Member Gold Member

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    We've announced 3 signings the day before January and not one was leaked to the press. So you never know...
     
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  12. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    See regarding the point about if we signed Livakovic for even say £60k a week other players would demand the same, surely this wouldn't always happen? Players have to realise surely that certain players will demand more of a wage in order to attract them to the club.

    If we sign a top class keeper or top class CM, Johnston couldn't turn round and say I want £60k a week now, having been playing for Montreal 8 months ago. Likewise Hatate given where he's come from in 18 months.

    It's the same as at my work I don't demand the same as my boss because I don't have the same level of experience or abilities.

    I think we need to get out of that mindset. If fhe player improves the club that should be enough for most players. If not then they can whistle.

    We won't probably play 60k for a player but it's one thing that annoys me. We seem scared still to break a certain bracket but being afraid of upsetting players shouldn't be a reason. For me.
     
  13. Guchi Gucci Gold Member Gold Member

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    The upper bracket does need increased. We are caught in this half-way house of probably being willing to pay more for players but we wont pay wages to get those players.
     
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  14. Can'tbehooped

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    But you would demand that you get paid the same as the new boy that's just been hired on more money than you when you're the top performer in your department though?
     
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    See this argument that gets mentioned time and time again when we are linked with a higher standard of player, it’s * nonsense. If we bring in a top player, it’s only natural that they will be on a higher wage. That’s the same for any team in football. Players are all on different salaries. Do players even find out what others are on unless the player discloses the information with other teammates?
     
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  16. honda Gold Member Gold Member

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    If your the top performer your most likely going to be sold anyway so mays well pay money for some decent players.
     
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  17. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Not necessarily. Depends on his experience.

    Obviously using my work as an example is a bit loose as it can depend on the industry, but in football terms I think it's a bit of an excuse for us not signing quality. It's not really for Johnston or Hatate to compare themselves to a top level GK with a plethora of international and european experience either as they're not bringing the same influence to the team? If we signed a RB or a CM on 70k, perhaps different aye. Could see an argument there, maybe, depending on the player coming in.

    If we want to look at ot that way we won't improve as even now £40k isn't enough for the level of quality we need.

    I just don't think 5 or 6 players would have the right to turn around and say I want the same as him now. It would happen at every club across the world if that were the case. I'm sure Boyle is Hibs top earner by a country mile but players won't complain because of what he brings to the team.
     
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    Brutal man! We literally are going to ibrox with a half fit AJ, scales and Taylor as part of a back 4 could * greet
     
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    At present we are all upset at the situation but the Celtic board couldn't give a * they have the money in the bank and don't want to * spend it .
    *
     
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    This is one of major issues this year.

    We all talk about Holm. Now, absolutely nothing against the boy, he's 20/21 and is clearly a very talented player from Norway and he cost £2m. We have clearly purchased him with the hope of significantly developing him and moving him on in a few years for a large profit, like we always try to do. However, this becomes an issue when the players you are picking up in that lower cost bracket don't succeed, and you're left with players contributing * all, on decent salaries unable to move them on. The very thing we are struggling with now. It seems we are looking to bring young players in to develop, with the hope of turning them into first team players, instead of buying players who can oust our first team players NOW. I've said it before, why didn't we go for Vetlesen from Bodo? He was the best midfielder in their league last season and has performed for them domestically and in Europe for 2/3 years now. He was £4.2m. He was the player we should have signed, not Holm.

    Everything seems reactionary with us. Reacting to Jota leaving. Reacting to Mooy leaving. Reacting to Starfelt leaving. We all seemed to think that we had a strategy and Lawwell Jr had a plan but the more this window has went on, it's showed we have no strategy. I want us to start looking at the Nordic countries far more than we do, Norway and Denmark especially. I think we should be in a position to pick up the BEST players from these leagues, not the best PROSPECTS. How are you going to compete with Club Bruges, Salzburg and Young Boys, never mind * Ajax, Porto and Benfica, when all you're doing is continually doing enough to stay ahead of the knuckle draggers across the road.

    Every single player in our team was replaceable, bar CCV, McGregor, Jota and Kyogo. That's not to say we needed to replace 7/8 other players in the team, just that if we seen an opportunity to get a player in who was better than O'Riley, for example, we should actively pursue it. We needed to target the priority positions first and foremost, we all know what positions they are, considering we are 3 days away from the transfer window ending and are no further forward on any of them.

    Infuriating stuff. Absolutely no reason why we are in the position either. None whatsoever. £28m sitting in your bank from player sales and your compensation from your manager, £30m from a champions league campaign last year and another £30m coming this year and you're * looking at another young Danish prospect in a position that isn't * a priority. What is even going on.
     
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