1. Having trouble logging in by clicking the link at the top right of the page? Click here to be taken to the log in page.
    Dismiss Notice

Not Actually that Crucial a Summer as of August 2023...beginning to now think everything isnt fine!

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Mr Shelby, May 3, 2023.

Discuss Not Actually that Crucial a Summer as of August 2023...beginning to now think everything isnt fine! in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    May 8, 2007
    Messages:
    70,901
    Likes Received:
    35,928
    Has to be a kick up the * for everyone from top to bottom from us as fans to the players to the Board.

    The baw is in the clubs court over the next week and a bit to provide some quality additions.
     
  2. Daver

    Joined:
    May 29, 2008
    Messages:
    9,503
    Likes Received:
    697
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Kyogo. A phenomenon
    I’ve spent too many years on here thinking bad results would force board hand.

    Mooy is a big miss, without hatate also midfield lacks guile.

    Jota is a huge miss, Maeda and haksa are not at his level.

    Hart to me looked done second half of last season. Said it at time, that’s not reactionary.

    CCV injury exacerbates things. He’s different class. As is Johnston vs ralston, hopefully AJ back playing next wk.

    My fear is going down a panic loan route. I truly believed 2.5 months ago we would invest in qty 3 proven players who would change the dial. It’s clear that’s what Brendan feels is needed after today, but only last week he was praising scouting yada yada.

    Between injuries, a keeper who is past it and player losses we are ccv, starfelt, hart, Johnston, mooy, hatate, jota down in terms of what we would like. That’s 7 of 11 of a starting team - so am I surprised at today?

    Not at all.

    Of those 7, 4 have not been replaced by proven better quality - they have been replaced by projects. Or left as is (hart.)

    No one has come in who is proven to be at a level or better than those who have left or who are on their * (hart again)

    It’s not good enough. And that’s not being OTT either.
     
  3. HTG "I have an uncle who does Yoga"

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2016
    Messages:
    12,583
    Likes Received:
    14,047
    Fav Celtic Player:
    CCV
    Fav Celtic Song:
    Let the people sing
    Said it on Friday, glad we signed Gustaf but the lack of solid rumours is worrying.

    Tierney, Merlin, Podence, Fraser and Kvistgaarden, and I know Kvistgaarden was only broke yesterday, but there's been next to no movement on the other players, with zero murmers on a GK outside of Livakovic, who is almost certainly not joining us.

    Next 10 days are vital, we should really have another 2 players signed before the St Johnstone game. Need to bed these players in before the game at Ibrox.

    Let's hope the Kilmarnock defeat was a kick up the * we desperately needed, Rodgers has said multiple times he wants a few more players in, needs to be action now.
     
  4. The Prof Administrator Administrator

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2010
    Messages:
    65,054
    Likes Received:
    45,798
    Location:
    Say Hello To My Little Friend ....
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Jinky
    I think the fear is that we've left ourselves too much to do in such a short space of time.
     
  5. Blochairnbhoy

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2017
    Messages:
    29,874
    Likes Received:
    21,950
    Location:
    Glasgow
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Scott Sinclair
    Fav Celtic Song:
    Grace
    I think 2 or 3 are hopefully just finishing touches
     
    martin_d likes this.
  6. The Prof Administrator Administrator

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2010
    Messages:
    65,054
    Likes Received:
    45,798
    Location:
    Say Hello To My Little Friend ....
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Jinky

    Aye hopefully mate, frustration is that a number of weeks have passed with very little activity, a few project signings won't cut the mustard, we need real quality, money must be spent.
     
    Hammy89 and Blochairnbhoy like this.
  7. Daver

    Joined:
    May 29, 2008
    Messages:
    9,503
    Likes Received:
    697
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Kyogo. A phenomenon
    Hope so. It’s one of the few times I’ve felt truly let down in over 35 years. Yes there have been plenty times of frustration but this has been utterly deflating tbh.

    what a chance we had to take the next step.

    to date we have not. We have gone backwards and that is not acceptable
     
    Blochairnbhoy likes this.
  8. Blochairnbhoy

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2017
    Messages:
    29,874
    Likes Received:
    21,950
    Location:
    Glasgow
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Scott Sinclair
    Fav Celtic Song:
    Grace
    No valid reason not to spend
     
    The Prof likes this.
  9. Blochairnbhoy

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2017
    Messages:
    29,874
    Likes Received:
    21,950
    Location:
    Glasgow
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Scott Sinclair
    Fav Celtic Song:
    Grace
    Allowing them to catch up AGAIN!
     
  10. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2012
    Messages:
    53,499
    Likes Received:
    40,848
    Location:
    West Lothian
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Larsson. Forever and always.
    Fav Celtic Song:
    Symphony
    I think that's what many of us are thinking. I don't see why he would come back without some sort of promise of funding. It just doesn't make any sense to me. The one thing worrying me is he's pedalled this line about him being a "development coach" and the "Club having a certain model" too many times. Suggesting we aren't going ro change tac and go for more proven players. Which is weird when you consider Ange signed Kyogo and Giakoumakis at 27 years old, Starfelt too. I'd really like a few more players around that age range.

    My concern is that he is hanging around waiting for EPL scraps and refusing to move onto other targets. I do feel that Ange in that respect if someone was waiting about we'd have moved on a bit quicker.

    This is me totally guessing. Might not be the case, however its a dangerous game to wait around for players for them to potentially turn round 1 day before the window shuts and say "naw".

    As has been said constantly on here, I just don't understand why whenever we are in a position of strength we seem to stagger. It would make you think we are deliberately not wanting to get too far ahead of everyone else...one for the conspiracy theorists.

    Its incredibly frustrating and makes me despair slightly and wonder what the point is if "being slightly better than Rangers" is all we aspire to.

    Rodgers and others chatting about improving in Europe and so far our most experienced signing from a European league s a 20 year old Norwegian.

    I don't like slating signings but Kwon is one that's really annoyed me:giggle1:. He could come.good but signing someone who's largely played his football in the Korean 2nd division, for a position we really BADLY need quality in, is a bit of a slap in the face and a needless punt. Fair enough take punts elsewhere on the park but we badly need quality.in there..not in 3 years, but now. Nothing against the guy himself its just a bit mad and arrogant to think he would be the immediate answer. Very slim chance of that.
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2023
    Sgt Neppers* likes this.
  11. Can'tbehooped

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2020
    Messages:
    4,039
    Likes Received:
    3,328
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Henrik Larsson
    * off with the club has let Rodgers down *.

    He's let the club down so far with the changes, we've lost some big players but we've also forced players to play against their strengths. Taylor, outstanding last season as an inverted winger, utter * at an overlapping fullback. Kyogo, the most dangerous poacher with outstanding movement, come back deep to collect.

    He's putting out "the club strategy is" * off and say what you need rather than regurgitate generic *.

    I was happy enough when he came in, and not overly worried about us being slow in the market. Now I'm just * raging about how quickly we've decided to be turgid * again. Take this as the single * off opportunity of being * that the red imps game was in his first stint. When the * did we last go out a cup in the first possible round? It's * embarrassing get it * fixed
     
  12. Thebs

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2012
    Messages:
    372
    Likes Received:
    305
    Imagine Ange came in and was told to play to the team he inheriteds strengths. He knew how he wanted to play and was backed with pretty much a new squad. Yes BR has taken on a triple winning team but almost all here are saying we need 1st team ready players for GK, LB, DMF, AMF, LW, SC. I agree but if the team he has is that great as we say why do we think we need 6/11 starters. I keep repeating but he knew * well we needed power in this team.

    When we lost starfelt it proved that the club can identify the replacement and get a deal done quick. Why has everything else been delayed? Is it just easier to sign centre defenders?
     
  13. LectersLuncheon

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2013
    Messages:
    7,623
    Likes Received:
    13,906
    Location:
    wouldnt you like to know
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Henke
    Fav Celtic Song:
    all of them
    My fears are now amped up to * hilt.

    Either we go hard on the targets we have been supposedly working on...

    Or the board, Lawell 2.0 and BR hit the panic button, start buying any oul * to make it look like they're making an effort.

    The longer the window rolled on with * all movement the more agitated and beligerant I got. Apologies to all. But that doesn't mean I've been wrong. So far anyway.

    We are far weaker than we should be. Every position has been compromised either by neglecting the window, or by BRs apparent need to tweak what was already working.

    Everyone at the club better get the * finger out sharpish. Or it'll be banners and plastic sharks by xmas. Something that still haunts me to this * day.
     
    Lewis Kerr and paulo123 like this.
  14. JML67 Gold Member Gold Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    16,186
    Likes Received:
    20,582
    There's a few thousand more of us in the panic station with you now mate.
     
  15. Sgt Neppers*

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2008
    Messages:
    7,248
    Likes Received:
    12,844
    Location:
    Edinburgh
    Seems so far that are recruitment has been a gamble. Going for the potential and prioritising the model in its entirety.
    100% we have. Needed 4 or 5 bits of quality from the outset. Have we done that? No. We've revisited the list from January getting in players from South Korea, followed by getting players in the potentials market again.


    That leaves us 6 in, spent around £12m and we're weaker.

    So having needed 5 players of good quality in, in 2 months ago, we still need them with 2 weeks to go. With how we operate and the speed of it, we get a couple in tops.

    We're doing it at a time in the window were we're now waiting potentially on other moves to click in to place, over pay or be rejected and go without.

    Think folk within the club are relying on Rodgers to work his magic and improve everyone. He's not a miracle worker.

    Same time, think BR has been too passive and relying too much on the work done previously by Lawell Jnr. Heard him say a lot, that he's happy with what's suggested to him and the work done. OK, but we need him to be assertive and push for more Eddy's, Castagne's like his first spell.

    This can all be done within our budget and model. Comfortably.
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2023
  16. Peej Gold Member Gold Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2013
    Messages:
    22,416
    Likes Received:
    16,375
    Location:
    Shetland
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Thom
    Fav Celtic Song:
    Let The People Sing

    Hart*
    Johnston, Nawrocki, CCV, Taylor*
    Hatate, McGregor
    Abada*, O'Reilly, Maeda*
    Kyogo


    Bain*
    Ralston*, Welsh*, lager, Bernabéi*
    Kwon*, Holm,
    Yang, Turnbull, Hacksa*
    Oh

    4 first team players(positions) that need a massive upgrade on.

    Need a younger, quicker keeper.
    Need a left back on a par with Johnston at right back.
    Need a left winger to replace the quality and calibre of Jota
    Need a right winger of equal measure (though I have a liking to Abada and Yang as a right wing pair).

    Those positions need badly addressed - did before the end of last season and more so now that Jota left and Hart is dropping in form.

    How none of those positions have been improved upon is beyond me.
    If you want to improve the standing of the squad and impact in Europe, then those positions alone needed addressed massively.

    You've then got 5-6 backup players that needed sorted as well.
    I say 5-6 because it feels a little harsh on Kwon who is just in the door.

    However, equally, if you wanted the squad to improve overall and be stronger, those 5-6 positions desperately needed looked at as well.

    With a manager like Rodgers, you could excuse perhaps Abada and Hacksa, maybe even Bernabéi, as players he MAY have been able to coach and develop in to star players for us (big hopes), but alas, that doesn't seem to be the case (very early days of course). But we desperately needed to strengthen these positions as well.

    Instead, the best we've got to seeing any sort of "change" is a merry go round effort at CB, where we are still one short of the standard required - and that's hoping we get lucky with the two new guys.


    The annoying thing is, every single position is an issue we already knew about last season. Yet the recruitment has not at all addressed it.
    Everything is a project signing that doesn't improve us at all.

    GK x2
    Lb,
    Rb,
    CB,
    Cm,
    Lw x2
    RW.

    I honestly doubt we will solve any of these issues before the end of this window.

    Sent from my M2012K11AG using Tapatalk
     
    stevoEOS likes this.
  17. straighttalker

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2011
    Messages:
    2,046
    Likes Received:
    1,120
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Big Vic
    think Rodgers could have changed it up a bit yesterday with formations when it wasn't working but something tells me he is subliminally trying to tell the board he doesn't have the players. Bit worrying if that is the case 2 games in.
     
  18. Foley1888

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    6,226
    Likes Received:
    5,727
    What part do you not agree with or all of it? Are you quite happy the state the squad is in?

    Or the fact we have lost key players and not replaced them, now resulting in us taking an unnecessary gamble at the start of the season for no obvious reason?

    Results like yesterday can happen, shocks happen like St Mirren last year. However, for those that watched our first two leg games this season that yesterday wasn’t a surprise.

    We have been really poor this season so far and look more like the team that dragged themselves over the line last year than the one that went out and won the league and was on track for a record points tally before easing off at the end.
     
  19. Peej Gold Member Gold Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2013
    Messages:
    22,416
    Likes Received:
    16,375
    Location:
    Shetland
    Fav Celtic Player:
    Thom
    Fav Celtic Song:
    Let The People Sing
    The fact he's not pushing for these sort of players concerns me.

    The passive attitude and acceptance is not what I expected from him at all.

    He left last time because the club wouldn't back him and support him with these signings.
    Confuses me why he would accept coming back, being this passive.

    Basically looks now like he's came back and been told, it's how it used to be and you'll take it. And he's went "yes boss".

    10 days to see a difference, really don't see it.

    Sent from my M2012K11AG using Tapatalk
     
    NakamuraTastic and Sgt Neppers* like this.
  20. themouth1888

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2011
    Messages:
    2,845
    Likes Received:
    2,186
    Dunno whats going on as Rodgers seemed perfectly calm with the situation the other day and how the scouts work etc..

    Lennon yesterday was quite harsh on what was needed and he better than most know how we operate transfer business. Then after the game Rodgers seemed to be complete opposite of just a few days before.

    Interested to see what happens but I think it's clear Rodgers isn't best pleased at the moment
     
    martin_d likes this.