Neil Lennon

If the board were stupid enough to give Kennedy the job, they could kiss profits bye bye.

I'd have zero confidence in him taking the helm, zero. Sure the majority of fans would feel the same.

I get that my opinion and mindset is probably spoiled by the fact that once upon a time we showed real ambition to bring in Rodgers, but by *, that is exactly the type of ambition right we need right now.

There is a host of managers that on theory could bs attainable, Rafa, Howe, Poch (albeit he's proper mad out of reach in reality)

All decent managers, arguably better than Lennon and at least comparable to Rodgers level.

We need to be * ruthless and show no mercy here, its * 10iar and the fans would riot if board don't act.

 

For me there is (loosely speaking) three levels of manager (financially) that we can entertain.

1. The creme de la crème, Guardiola, mourinhio, Zidane etc - these guys are just a no go. Not even worth entertaining (as much as Jose was for awhile) as they will want upwards of £4million a year.

2. Your Rodgers, Rafa, Howe, that level. The been there and done it at the top, of the ambitious going for the top sort of manager. They cost you around the £2million mark.

3. The Neil Lennon, Ronny deila, Tony mowbray, Alex Neil, the £500k to a million manager.

Don't need to say that obviously things are on a sliding scale, but equally don't need to highlight the difference in manager that we would get at the (loose) price range we have here.

Anything lower than £500k is not even worth entertaining, that's Kennedy and the likes getting a bump up.

We need to be going for the £2million range managers, Rodgers shows what sort of manager you get for that.
Don't care for being a Celtic man or not. Don't care if he is Scottish, Irish British, gay, straight, foreign, yellow, black, white. I just want us to show some ambition in this area and get the best out of our squad.

£2million a year to a manager is £40k a week, it's not unreasonable to expect your manager to be paid that, at our level not unreasonable for him to be the top earner.



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Getting * off seeing Lennon moaning in the rags every day about he said this she said that. Your a * professional manager, your no in a playground grow the * up and take criticism on the chin, especially when the criticism is just. You were appalling on Saturday, you were appalling in the ECL, you scuffed through the Europa qualifiers. Sitting playing the victim is starting to get boring, if you want to change opinions do the talking on the park, because as of late there is no escape from how * it’s been. Own up, man up or shut the * up.

 

Lennon should be using people like Maurice Ross comments to spur us on. But can see why he's annoyed at Him also. But this is where we are now with Lennon. People are annoyed, he's been backed sufficiently and things are regressing. He's now gotta show some mental resolve to inspire the players, which reading his body language goes, that doesn't happen he's done.

Next 2 weeks is critical for him domestically. Against Milan all is required is a decent effort and performance. Keeping the players on board is his last chance. Hes already had 2 challenges this season (Huns/Ferencvaros) and blown them. I don't see the board being happy during tough financial times being happy at all.

 

I 100% agree, I have been very critical and know things need to change and have been saying so for a bit. This just scraping by in every league away game and being pathetic against them is miles away from being acceptable.

The response above was meant to be light hearted as most of my other posts at the moment have been about what needs to change.

One of the things I have said is I don’t feel Lenny is the right man for the job. It doesn’t give me any pleasure saying that as Lenny was a top player and did well as manager for us the first time round. However it is clear to see his limitations and something has been up with him this season so far which has made his negative traits as a manager really stick out.

 

I feel disgusted in myself for saying this but it’s the first time I’ve ever wanted us to be beaten, because I’m fed up with the majority of fans allowing mediocrity into our club. The football on show isn’t the Celtic way, some of the players are not Celtic class, the manager although Celtic through and through isn’t good enough to be a Celtic manager, this has now been proven twice. He inherits decent squads with all the building blocks in place, then 5 months down the line he’s lost the changing room, footballs terrible and fans are against him, happened at his first spell here, Bolton, Hibs and now happening again here, there is a recurring theme with him, all of which points out the fact he’s not a very good manager.

Should consider being an agent as his ability to talk people around is banging.

 

You want us to get beat?

No offence, but that is * embarrassing.

I agree we are being served up some pretty dire football and the weekend was brutal, but come on.

 

How long do we allow it to go on for? Get a cheeky result then all is forgiven? Because that’s what happens atm. He’s over stayed his welcome as a manager now, he’s been sussed. Only way he’ll go is by results, as he’s too stubborn and egotistical to walk. If that means getting beat in the Europa I’d take that if it means getting him out the door and saving 10iar. Because if we keep him here any longer you can kiss that dream goodbye.

 

That's * pathetic.

 

A defeat to AC Milan will not change anything, that's half-expected anyway.

Do you want the sheep to beat us at the weekend?

 

A defeat against the sheep probably won’t be enough to get him out of the door either!

 

That's true, every possibility he survives that.

I'm just trying to understand the wish for us to lose matches it's cutting your nose off to spite your face. Not your face, the guy above, Noskeil.

 

There are other contributing factors other than Lennons limited knowledge and ability. Not being able to bring his own staff in and I think as someone mentioned above, there are 3 tiers of manager. If we have the lowest tier, a decent director of football would go a long way in helping. Wouldn't see Lennys ego take it though. Once systems were in place from BR, it should have been a case of rehiring to fill these positions again.

 

I don't have an agenda. You can check my post history if you like. I'm not happy with Lennon one bit either.

I'm just staggered people would want Celtic to lose a match for any reason.

 

By your logic we should accept mediocrity because the 90s were *? xD
We have by a distance the most expensive squat and budget. So should we accept getting controlled by an average hun side 3 times in a row because the 90s were worse? If we would have a similar budget ok but that's not how it is. I expect my club to make the most of our ressources and this means that we have every right as supporters to expect us to dominate the league and not to play * and luckily win somehow in the last 10min. But hey, according to Lenny we played brilliantely against Riga.

 

Apologies, didn’t mean to snap at you. Think just fed up of seeing people stick up for someone that’s not up to the job.

Trust me I never want Celtic to lose (hence why I said I’d rather lose in the Europa or cup matches, losing any more league games would be catastrophic. Not in the sense I WANT to see us lose, more if we were to lose any would be in these competitions rather than lose 3 points in the league) but atm I just can’t see any other way in replacing a manager that’s made a hash of it not once but twice now. I saw what happened last time he was in charge, I’m seeing all the same hallmarks again.

 

As much as I never want to see us beat, I think we all do understand what @Noskeil is getting at.

The writing is on the wall with Lennon and with absolutely no sign of him changing things at this junction, it's a matter of time before he is shown the door.

So the choice, when we accept that (and assuming nothing else changes) is s prolonged period of turgid *, were a defeat to the sheep gets brushed away, because the next four games are narrow wins. Then another defeat, but swept away because of the 4, game run, followed by 5 wins, then a draw....

It's torture and if we don't take on board the overall performance (alternatively just the results) then we slowly fall further behind, until it's too late.

Pull the bandaid off now is the idea.

However saying it out loud that you'd take a defeat to get rid of a manager does sound brutal, I think we all get the premise of the theory here.

Rather get it done with and a new manager in pronto. Than wait till new year, 9 behind and even more scared to change things.


The real alternative and preferred option though is this;

Lennon sorts it out, gets the team back on track and we get back in front and the the wrapped up.
Then he walks away, head high and knowing he is a living * legend of this club.

But other than blind faith, no one can surely believe that's going to happen? No sign points to that being the case, yet.

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I'll never want us to to get beat, but I think the board should be looking to replace Lennon. I'll be delighted if we pull off a result against Milan, but I've already made my peace with the fact that in my opinion I don't believe Lennon is the man to take us forward now. Thankful for all he's done as a player and a manager, but my opinion wasn't just formed as a result of the game against Sevco.

 

Can't remember calling someone else a hun and I didn't call you hun either.

 

Thank you!

Yes my choice of words may have come out wrong, but it was more the sentiment that I was trying to put over. A defeat in the Europa is far less damaging than losing any more points in the league. Yes I got the wording wrong, doesn’t mean my passion for the club is any less.