Neil Lennon

Bit contradictory Lennon saying that yet he has started Brown in all of our three games this week. He played 90 mins against Livingston, St Mirren and came off in the 77th minute against County.

Don’t care what Lennon says I just can’t see Brown getting dropped. Probably just him filling the press up with more nonsense.

 

I think I'm at the point where I feel Lenny is fine as long as our ambition only stretches as far as being better than the Huns and the rest of Scotland, but if we want to make any real progress as a club, we will need to move on at the end of the season and invest in the management team and coaching staff.

I'm hopeful that once ten in a row is completed we can reset our focus and priorities and start building towards making the CL regularly, rather than just being better than the Huns, because ultimately, one of those lends itself to the other but actually one does not and currently I feel we're focused on the one that does not.

On a personal level, I've not taken to Lennon this second time round the way I did the first, I honestly don't enjoy his press conferences, particularly when talking about transfers and I just don't see him learning any lessons from previous seasons or recent games. The defence is an absolute * shambles and we look concerningly disjointed and lacking in ideas going forward at times. Watching the St Mirren game and the three forwards were following each other about in little triangles rather than trying to stretch their packed defence, it was bizarre.

Playing as we are, I'm honestly for the first time in almost a decade, not confident we'll beat the Huns at home. This may all change tomorrow to be fair, but they just don't look like conceding when I've seen them, they're still really * average but they're well drilled and organised and good at getting balls in the box, something we really struggle to deal with. I just hope we have a couple of confidence building performances in the run up to our game against them.

Maybe it's just coincidence, but losing Duff from the coaching staff seems to have left us void of creativity and inspiration and I genuinely think he may have been more influential than a lot of people, myself included realised.

As a slight disclaimer, I also felt this way at a similar point last season, but there is a different atmosphere around the place just now, whether much of it is media driven or if there genuinely are players wanting away the way it is being made out, who knows, but the performances thus far make me feel like something isn't quite right.

 

I’d be more concerned if we weren’t top of the league, on our way to quadruple treble, being managed by someone who has brought us as much success as any other of our great managers. Aye we’ve been papped out of champions league and started slowly this season, But I’m willing to give the squad a bit of time to settle. We have an abundance of talent and as the season progresses that will show.
I’m not saying Lennon is faultless in all this, he’s made a few questionable decisions since his return, and for the most part hasn’t learnt from them, but looking back over our European results you could say them same about Rodgers, strachen, and O neill. None of them stand out above the other. If anything Lennon has done better than the others.

 

That depends.

 

On what?

If we can win a League in spite of a manager - ie. they're doing more harm than help - then the logic surely follows that we could win the League without said manager being a hindrance.

 

The league obviously and the quality of opposition in it.

 

Do you believe we could win this season's League without a manager?

 

That would depend on who was doing the coaching etc.

 

I have no problem with Lennon. Top of the league and giving minutes to a lot of the squad.
I understand football forums are filled with negativity but this season must take the biscuit for here.

 

The current coaches.

 

Maybe.

 

Lol, talk about sitting on the fence.

It's a yes or a no.

 

Could they? Yes.
Would they? I don’t know.

Don’t really know what Gavin Strachan and John Kennedy have to do with teams being able to win leagues in spite of who their manager is though.

 

Everything surely.

If Coaches alone ≠ League Win but Manager + Coaches = League Win, then the manager has obviously aided the cause which means 'in spite of' can't be true.

 

Or that manager could be sacked and everybody else stays and the team improves. It’s not impossible.

I never mentioned this league though. I just said that teams can win leagues in spite of managers.

You seem to be trying to make it about Celtic this season.

Teams can win leagues in spite of their manager. The Huns in the lower leagues under McCoist is probably the most obvious example.

 

@McGrory1888 said if we win the League this season it will be in spite of Lennon.

I responded that you can't win a League in spite of a manager and you responded to that to say you can.and gave examples.

I've tried to pin you down to answer on if you agree with @McGrory1888's original opinion.

If you do then what an utterly bleak outlook for a Celtic fan to think we can win what will be our 10th League title in a row, against arguably our strongest direct competitor in that period. How anyone could take any joy out of something that is supposedly such a foregone conclusion I don't know.

 

I’ll stop you there, since I never at any point said that

Also, no one except yourself has ever questioned whether we could or would win the league without a manager at all. It’s been questioned whether a manager can have a negative effect on a team, yet the team can still win a title. A fair few examples have been given, all of which are pretty relevant.

 

Except you did...

I thought I explained the point pretty simply above.

Winning the League in spite of Lennon = Lennon (having detrimental impact) + Current Coaches + Current Players = League Win

By that logic removing the thing having the detrimental impact should still result in a League Win, if not by a more comfortable margin.

 

Genuinely what the * are you talking about ?

All I said was that teams can win leagues in spite of their managers. I gave examples where it’s happened.

You seem utterly desperate to try and take it as some sort of personal dig at Lennon for some reason.

I’m not even confident we’ll win the league for a start so that kind of sums up how ridiculous that last part of your comment is.

 

Thanks for quoting me, proving my point and making perfectly clear that that’s not what I said.

“At this rate” makes clear that, in my opinion, Lennon needs to change things to have a positive impact. So don’t go trying to twist my words to suit your point.